Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax - Now with F content

[Michael James (cavallino_rapante]

002C and 0846?   Somebody has been hanging-out with James Glickenhaus?  I'm 
jealous....
 
M 


--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:


From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax - Now 
with F content
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:53 AM


Come on Clyde, this is the Flist, there are no stereotypes, we're all
just exceptions to the normal rules.

I'm 35 (yes, a wee pup) and got into the hobby in '97.  Yes, I
remember when you could get almost any car off the showroom floor.  I
remember when the world tour car came through Atlanta (and even have
the book).  I know the chassis numbers of my cars from memory (18759,
39343, and 47071).  I have spent hours with 002C and 0846*.  I keep
track of most of the cars pre s/n 999 and the F1 chassis numbers.  Per
Gerald Roush and Dave Seibert's rules, I'm probably the youngest
DINOsaur out there.

I have parts everywhere in my garage trying to replace the clutch in
my 308 at home, on my own lift, with my own tools.  There is a Diablo
in my driveway that I am troubleshooting (and came up with a list of
$4200 worth of parts that it needs, and by god they are trash).

The real fans are still out there, we shy away from the bling crowd,
but we're still out there.

Cheers,
Erik

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:24 AM,  <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Come on Phil youi and I know that bunch of guys left when Ferrari started 
> selling the 355 The Peoples Car
>
> I am not saying its a bad thing but when the "M" gang goal was to sell 5K 
> cars a year
> The whole face of it changed for Ferrari
>
> Most guus even those with deep pockets stayed away from Ferrari because they 
> thought they were not reliable
> Hence Ferrari did that around the world tour with a car !
> Remember that?
> Well that fixed that alright and" here come the clowns" as Frank Sinatra 
> would say!
>
> Sorry to say Phil but none of those names mean anything to most listers
> They are too young!
> And that's ok too
> Most bought the car because they could end of story!
> They don't have a clue about the past they live for today or better yet 
> tomorrow!
> They have no knowledge of the Cobra Ferrari wars of the 60's they weren't 
> born!
> Or the LeMans Battles with Ford in the late 60's as well.
> They couldn't pick out John Surtees helmet from a Phil Hills helmet
> (Look at them  now on the interenet trying to find out)
>
>  Can't hold it against them Phil they don't know and don't want to know!
> They just want it red and cute and different aka the GM Fiero!
>
> They don't know that Ferrari means 12cylinders and that they only made the 8 
> cylinder cars to sell to the masses
>
> Phil we must get together this summer when I am in Philly
> We are the old guard
> Sad but true
> It is what it is my friend
> Take care and stay in touch
> All the best
>
>
> Clyde
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:03:18
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>
>
>
>   OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
>   owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
>   it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
>   At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated
>   accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari now
>   I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
>   many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
>   car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
>   know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
>   Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the
>   truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and 50's.....or
>   about Ferraris efforts at Indy........
>
>   Where is the passion?
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
>   Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm
>   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>   Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>   > I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
>   > unique.  And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...
>   >
>   > Rick
>   >
>   > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>   >
>   > -----Original Message-----
>   > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>   >
>   > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
>   > To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>   > Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>   > Sales tax
>   >
>   >
>   > I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
>   > Ferrari or
>   > were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
>   > for the big
>   > day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
>   > that there
>   > would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
>   > the BO ,so he
>   > can redistribute it to whatever group of people that  BO
>   > desires, instead of
>   > them keeping as much of their hard earned money as they can. I
>   > don't see
>   > how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
>   > get to own  a
>   > Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
>   > for not
>   > wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>   > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>   > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
>   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>   > Sales tax
>   >
>   >
>   > >I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I
>   > had already
>   > >started working out moving our operation off shore.  So,
>   > his tax increase
>   > >will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year.  Yeah-
>   > that increase
>   > >will pan our really well for him.
>   > >
>   > > And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-
>   > nots seem to
>   > > think.  Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they
>   > are have-nots.
>   > > I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they
>   > absolutely need
>   > > the help.  I also have no problem in helping to supply a
>   > safety net for
>   > > those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,
>   > fall on hard
>   > > times.  But that latter group will also be in need short-
>   > term, and not
>   > > decide to live off of the social system.  Unfortunately,
>   > the Democrats are
>   > > generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I
>   > would have
>   > > to say has at least one foot into communism.  Just how
>   > much private
>   > > business is our government taking over now?
>   > >
>   > > Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.  Socialism
>   > simply does not
>   > > work, and for the reasons previously stated.  It is great
>   > in theory, but
>   > > falls apart when you bring the human element into it.  I
>   > say open the
>   > > border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or
>   > capitalism
>   > > (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists
>   > north), and
>   > > then lock the border up tight.  Lets see who makes it
>   > through the year.
>   > >
>   > > (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)
>   > >
>   > > Big R
>   > >
>   > > ________________________________
>   > >
>   > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
>   > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
>   > > To: Rick Morris
>   > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>   > Sales tax
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > No sir.  You are the rick with the BIG R!
>   > >
>   > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>   > wrote:>
>   > >> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>   > Sales tax
>   > >> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>   > >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>   > >> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
>   > >> Have I been demoted to just 'the
>   > >> other Rick' now?  ;-)
>   > >>
>   > >> ________________________________
>   > >>
>   > >> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
>   > >> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
>   > >> To: Rick Morris
>   > >> Cc: The FerrariList
>   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
>   > >> National Sales tax
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >>
>   > >> Hello Friends,
>   > >>    We are obviously of mixed minds
>   > >> here.  Discussions like this are often contested
>   > >> between the "haves" and the "have-nots".  I'm not sure
>   > >> that's the case here in FList land.  Most of us 'have'
>   > >> to some degree.  Hummm...
>   > >>
>   > >>    I think it just comes down to the fact
>   > >> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
>   > >> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
>   > >> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
>   > >> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
>   > >> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
>   > >> people who did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and
>   > >> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
>   > >> marginally acceptable level.  That just does not work
>   > >> for me.  One doesn't get from life what one
>   > >> deserves.  One gets what one works for.  (Please
>   > >> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)
>   > >>
>   > >>    I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
>   > >> this but I've seen both sides.  I grew up poor,
>   > >> descended from an even poorer Scottish family.  I have
>   > >> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
>   > >> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
>   > >> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
>   > >> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
>   > >> work if I can get government money for free?"  That
>   > >> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
>   > >> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand.  I
>   > >> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much
>   > >> money we earn.  We'll care about how we live."
>   > >> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
>   > >> other than ours).   Hummm...
>   > >>
>   > >>    Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
>   > >> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
>   > >> evolutionary forces.  Life wants to survive and
>   > >> replicate, even if at the expense of others.  We want
>   > >> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
>   > >> loose.  Its how life works.  Just look at what
>   > >> people watch on network TV!  We have to compete and we
>   > >> like to win!  Winning upsets the balance that socialism
>   > >> tries to establish.
>   > >>
>   > >>    The system being forced upon us now is
>   > >> counter to all of that.  Its like saying that all the
>   > >> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
>   > >> They must all be equals.  Someone should take all of
>   > >> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
>   > >> India so that all of the teams will be equals.  This
>   > >> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
>   > >> "No two anythings were ever created equal."  That
>   > >> includes us, brothers.
>   > >>
>   > >> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
>   > >> the big "R")
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