Ferrari Mailing List: Re: NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax - Now with F content

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

I had my leg go numb from sqeezing my fat ass into J6 for an hour run once.

On 5/30/09, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
> 002C and 0846?   Somebody has been hanging-out with James Glickenhaus?  I'm
> jealous....
>
> M
>
>
> --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax - Now
> with F content
> To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:53 AM
>
>
> Come on Clyde, this is the Flist, there are no stereotypes, we're all
> just exceptions to the normal rules.
>
> I'm 35 (yes, a wee pup) and got into the hobby in '97.  Yes, I
> remember when you could get almost any car off the showroom floor.  I
> remember when the world tour car came through Atlanta (and even have
> the book).  I know the chassis numbers of my cars from memory (18759,
> 39343, and 47071).  I have spent hours with 002C and 0846*.  I keep
> track of most of the cars pre s/n 999 and the F1 chassis numbers.  Per
> Gerald Roush and Dave Seibert's rules, I'm probably the youngest
> DINOsaur out there.
>
> I have parts everywhere in my garage trying to replace the clutch in
> my 308 at home, on my own lift, with my own tools.  There is a Diablo
> in my driveway that I am troubleshooting (and came up with a list of
> $4200 worth of parts that it needs, and by god they are trash).
>
> The real fans are still out there, we shy away from the bling crowd,
> but we're still out there.
>
> Cheers,
> Erik
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 6:24 AM,  <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> Come on Phil youi and I know that bunch of guys left when Ferrari started
>> selling the 355 The Peoples Car
>>
>> I am not saying its a bad thing but when the "M" gang goal was to sell 5K
>> cars a year
>> The whole face of it changed for Ferrari
>>
>> Most guus even those with deep pockets stayed away from Ferrari because
>> they thought they were not reliable
>> Hence Ferrari did that around the world tour with a car !
>> Remember that?
>> Well that fixed that alright and" here come the clowns" as Frank Sinatra
>> would say!
>>
>> Sorry to say Phil but none of those names mean anything to most listers
>> They are too young!
>> And that's ok too
>> Most bought the car because they could end of story!
>> They don't have a clue about the past they live for today or better yet
>> tomorrow!
>> They have no knowledge of the Cobra Ferrari wars of the 60's they weren't
>> born!
>> Or the LeMans Battles with Ford in the late 60's as well.
>> They couldn't pick out John Surtees helmet from a Phil Hills helmet
>> (Look at them  now on the interenet trying to find out)
>>
>>  Can't hold it against them Phil they don't know and don't want to know!
>> They just want it red and cute and different aka the GM Fiero!
>>
>> They don't know that Ferrari means 12cylinders and that they only made the
>> 8 cylinder cars to sell to the masses
>>
>> Phil we must get together this summer when I am in Philly
>> We are the old guard
>> Sad but true
>> It is what it is my friend
>> Take care and stay in touch
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Clyde
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "philville dejazzd.com" <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>>
>> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:03:18
>> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>> Cc: FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>>
>>
>>
>>   OK, break out the flame throwers, but, I am not quite certain that
>>   owning a Ferrari today means the same thing to many of the owners as
>>   it did even 5 to 10 years ago....
>>   At one time it was a goal, a goal that few ever anticipated
>>   accomplishing, the enthusiasts were consumed with owning a Ferrari now
>>   I fear that many are only consumed with consuming and owning....how
>>   many people (owners / enthusiasts ) know the serial number of their
>>   car? How many can actually recite much of the history of the car or
>>   know what the history of the drivers were who was Phil Hill or
>>   Grahm Hill or the Rodriguez bros.....and don't even think about the
>>   truly incredible men who raced these cars in the 40's and 50's.....or
>>   about Ferraris efforts at Indy........
>>
>>   Where is the passion?
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
>>   Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:43 pm
>>   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National Sales tax
>>   To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>>   Cc: FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>   > I've thought about that too. Ferrari owners are by definition
>>   > unique.  And unique isn't allowed in a socialist system. Hummm...
>>   >
>>   > Rick
>>   >
>>   > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>   >
>>   > -----Original Message-----
>>   > From: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>>   >
>>   > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:54:51
>>   > To: rolindsay<rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>>   > Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>>   > Sales tax
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > I used to think that most people here on this NG already owned a
>>   > Ferrari or
>>   > were inspired to own one in the future and were likely saving up
>>   > for the big
>>   > day when they could take possession of one. I didn't realize
>>   > that there
>>   > would be so many who would rather give more of their income to
>>   > the BO ,so he
>>   > can redistribute it to whatever group of people that  BO
>>   > desires, instead of
>>   > them keeping as much of their hard earned money as they can. I
>>   > don't see
>>   > how BO's confiscation of more of their income would help them
>>   > get to own  a
>>   > Ferrari any faster. But then maybe it's just me being selfish
>>   > for not
>>   > wanting to buy any more illegal aliens their free helath care.
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > ----- Original Message -----
>>   > From: "Rick Morris" <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>>   > To: "Rick" <Forza355 [at] verizon.net>
>>   > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>   > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 5:38 PM
>>   > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>>   > Sales tax
>>   >
>>   >
>>   > >I hate to say it, but thinking that BO was going to take it I
>>   > had already
>>   > >started working out moving our operation off shore.  So,
>>   > his tax increase
>>   > >will likely see my taxes drop by 10's of K per year.  Yeah-
>>   > that increase
>>   > >will pan our really well for him.
>>   > >
>>   > > And it is not a matter of being selfish, as most of the have-
>>   > nots seem to
>>   > > think.  Most of them are the will-nots, which is why they
>>   > are have-nots.
>>   > > I have no problem helping those that are can-nots- they
>>   > absolutely need
>>   > > the help.  I also have no problem in helping to supply a
>>   > safety net for
>>   > > those that unexpectedly, and through no fault of their own,
>>   > fall on hard
>>   > > times.  But that latter group will also be in need short-
>>   > term, and not
>>   > > decide to live off of the social system.  Unfortunately,
>>   > the Democrats are
>>   > > generally socialist minded individuals, and our current Pres I
>>   > would have
>>   > > to say has at least one foot into communism.  Just how
>>   > much private
>>   > > business is our government taking over now?
>>   > >
>>   > > Incidentally, I too have lived in two systems.  Socialism
>>   > simply does not
>>   > > work, and for the reasons previously stated.  It is great
>>   > in theory, but
>>   > > falls apart when you bring the human element into it.  I
>>   > say open the
>>   > > border to the north, give people the choice of socialism or
>>   > capitalism
>>   > > (heck, the capitalist side can even pay to move the socialists
>>   > north), and
>>   > > then lock the border up tight.  Lets see who makes it
>>   > through the year.
>>   > >
>>   > > (getting down off the soap box and waiting to see who is up next)
>>   > >
>>   > > Big R
>>   > >
>>   > > ________________________________
>>   > >
>>   > > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
>>   > > Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:43 PM
>>   > > To: Rick Morris
>>   > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>>   > Sales tax
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > >
>>   > > No sir.  You are the rick with the BIG R!
>>   > >
>>   > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>>   > wrote:>
>>   > >> From: Rick Morris <rick.morris [at] brewhaus.com>
>>   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US National
>>   > Sales tax
>>   > >> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
>>   > >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>   > >> Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 3:37 PM
>>   > >> Have I been demoted to just 'the
>>   > >> other Rick' now?  ;-)
>>   > >>
>>   > >> ________________________________
>>   > >>
>>   > >> From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
>>   > >> Sent: Thu 5/28/2009 3:11 PM
>>   > >> To: Rick Morris
>>   > >> Cc: The FerrariList
>>   > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC: Here comes BO's 10 % US
>>   > >> National Sales tax
>>   > >>
>>   > >>
>>   > >>
>>   > >>
>>   > >> Hello Friends,
>>   > >>    We are obviously of mixed minds
>>   > >> here.  Discussions like this are often contested
>>   > >> between the "haves" and the "have-nots".  I'm not sure
>>   > >> that's the case here in FList land.  Most of us 'have'
>>   > >> to some degree.  Hummm...
>>   > >>
>>   > >>    I think it just comes down to the fact
>>   > >> that those of us who went to school for a zillion years,
>>   > >> have worked hard all of our lives at good jobs, paid our
>>   > >> bills, paid our taxes, have a little coin tucked away and
>>   > >> have no debt - are being told that we don't deserve anything
>>   > >> that we have and that we need to redistribute it to the
>>   > >> people who did NOT study, work, pay bills, pay taxes and
>>   > >> save - just so that we can all be equals at some low,
>>   > >> marginally acceptable level.  That just does not work
>>   > >> for me.  One doesn't get from life what one
>>   > >> deserves.  One gets what one works for.  (Please
>>   > >> pardon the preposition at the end of the sentence.)
>>   > >>
>>   > >>    I know I'm a hard-ass when it comes to
>>   > >> this but I've seen both sides.  I grew up poor,
>>   > >> descended from an even poorer Scottish family.  I have
>>   > >> relatives who do NOTHING but whine - at least when their
>>   > >> Oxycontin starts to wear off - and they get more government
>>   > >> money than any of us - for doing absolutely NOTHING.
>>   > >> They're ignorant and proud of it, living a lifestyle of "Why
>>   > >> work if I can get government money for free?"  That
>>   > >> attitude is why communism and socialism does not work.
>>   > >> I've lived in Russia and have seen it first hand.  I
>>   > >> don't care if Tim Geitner says, "Soon we won't care how much
>>   > >> money we earn.  We'll care about how we live."
>>   > >> That's just naive (and/or more likely, intended for ears
>>   > >> other than ours).   Hummm...
>>   > >>
>>   > >>    Socialism feels very "moral high-ground"
>>   > >> in concept but it fails because it is counter to basic
>>   > >> evolutionary forces.  Life wants to survive and
>>   > >> replicate, even if at the expense of others.  We want
>>   > >> to win the race/game/contest even though someone else has to
>>   > >> loose.  Its how life works.  Just look at what
>>   > >> people watch on network TV!  We have to compete and we
>>   > >> like to win!  Winning upsets the balance that socialism
>>   > >> tries to establish.
>>   > >>
>>   > >>    The system being forced upon us now is
>>   > >> counter to all of that.  Its like saying that all the
>>   > >> F1 teams can compete but no one is allowed to win.
>>   > >> They must all be equals.  Someone should take all of
>>   > >> Toyota, Ferrari and McLaren's money and give it to Force
>>   > >> India so that all of the teams will be equals.  This
>>   > >> concept violates the Great Truth of the Universe Rule #14:
>>   > >> "No two anythings were ever created equal."  That
>>   > >> includes us, brothers.
>>   > >>
>>   > >> rick (That's rick with a small "r", not the other Rick with
>>   > >> the big "R")
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