Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics

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308 engine rebuild ya say???
What year
How long did it take
You do it yer self?
DOUG

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>

To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material

Larry, I think you'll find such information fundamentally flawed. Most folks 

get their health insurance through their employer - as costs rise in 

healthcare and the insurance premiums rise to pay for it, its our nation's 

employers who are taking it in the shorts. Company profits fall as health 

care costs rise, which makes it more-and-more expensive for US Companies to 

offer and pay-for this benefit to American employees. Many of these 

employer-backed plans are paring-down benefits that used to be much more 

all-inclusive years ago. We're paying more, and getting less coverage than 

ever before. And I firmly believe this fact is part of what is driving US 

companies to move the bulk of their businesses overseas where providing such 

benefits is unnecessary or radically cheaper than what they have to pay in 

the US.

Let's also not forget that individual deductables have greatly increased 

over the years to stem the tide....and that elderly end-of-life care hasn't 

reached critical-mass yet (the coming tsunami of Baby Boomer retirees 

demanding care well into their 90s will come sooner than you think). It 

would be premature to determine what, exactly, people should be 'happy' 

with. We'll see how happy everyone is when six-digit medical bills become 

the societal norm, and insurance companies get to decide who lives and who 

dies based on what they feel like paying-for regarding medical services.

Remember, the private medical insurance community is a for-profit entity 

first and foremost. Their primary business goal is to make a profit for 

their shareholders - above all else. Such is the law of 

Capitalism/Free-Enterprise. If they provide us with the services and 

coverage we need to survive while they make a profit, great. If they can cut 

corners with our coverage/services to continue to make a profit, fine by 

them. If they can find a loophole somewhere that allows them to 'skip' on 

covering a $500,000 critical-care medical bill and protect THEIR 

bottom-line, they will. It's just business. Never mind the financial or 

medical impact on YOU. If this situation wasn't happening, everywhere, then 

Tort lawyers would be greatly under-employed - but they're not, are they?

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why NeoCons insist that "there is 

no problem".....the status quo is somehow 'perfect', because the Rich get to 

afford the greatest healthcare in the world on-demand with no limitations. 

Good for them - the rest of us get rationed healthcare today based on our 

income and job status.

Does anyone want to hear about my 308 engine rebuild?

M

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 5:25 PM

Sorry Lee, my memory failed me (again - but I forgot) - it's actually
between 80% [and 89% cited below] as in <<the Washington Post/ABC Poll, 81%
of those sampled were satisfied with their present health care insurance
policy. >>

and <<CNN poll finds that more than 80% of Americans are satisfied with the
quality of their health care.>>

and <<the Kaiser Family Foundation, ABC News and USA Today, released in
October 2006, found that 89 percent of Americans were satisfied with their
own personal medical care, [and] Those with recent serious health problems,
possibly the people with the best knowledge of how health care is working,
were generally the most satisfied. Ninety-three percent of insured Americans
who had recently suffered a serious illness were satisfied with their health
care. So were 95 percent of those who suffered from chronic illness.>>

and on and on.

LarryT

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From: "Lee S. Lingo" <leescars [at] comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:55 PM
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material

Larry,

Not even getting into the healthcare reform discussion, but where do you
cite your 90% number from & how can you back up your statement as fact
that we have the best healthcare system in the world. While I believe
that without a doubt we do, I cannot difinitively prove that as fact.

I was just wondering how you can flame someone else for posting facts they
think are true & citing a source to prove it while you can put forth only
opinions but post them as truth. Seems a little arrogant to me.

Oh, and I do not know for sure, but perhaps Mauricio, like me has tired of
the elitist rhetoric & hijacking of the list for political topics and only
checks his list email every few days. If that is the case, one might
surmise that his email was a response to your last political posting to
the list two or three days ago. I don't know.

I love talking cars with you guys & have found this list an invaluable
source of information on many topics over the years, many of which were
not car related. But when it comes to talking politics & religion, most
people turn into know-it-all ass holes and we are all no exception to
that.

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:28 PM
To: Lee Lingo <leescars [at] comcast.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material

Thanks For that comment Steve! I love this list because of the depth of
knowledge - I ask a lot of OT questions about TVs, DVD's Financing and
other
high tech stuff and I always KNOW I'll get a answer - usually it's correct
to boot! ;-)

BTW, what was Mauricio talking about? I must have missed something. His
comment about Obams spending didn't ring true but Jim fired back before I
could check facts (thx Jim!). I know I've heard Obama has spent more in
his
1st 8 months that all other presidents have before him - combined! I'll
find the backup shortly.

As far as the heath car system - we have the best system in the world, it
costs a lot but that's because we have methods for healing never dreamed
of
before. Also, IIRC, 90% of the population is happy with their situation.
If the illegal aliens & young people who don't want or need insurance are
taken out of the question we have a problem os maybe 10 million - instead
of
turning the medical system over to the USGov, to the tune of $1 tril (most
likely $3 Tril) we could *buy* them insurance for much less money! Of
course, don't advocate that - the govt doesn't need to be any more
involved
in health insurance and retirement than they already are - it should be
less
but that won't happen - it's like having a car with a flat tire - you fix
the tire, not buy a whole new car! Unless you're Mauricio I guess.

Later -
LarryT

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Re: Politics - Not List Material	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Doug and Terri Anderson (dntdock.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:55:52 -0800 (PST)