Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics

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I have to agree our government is crap.  I have yet to be tremendously 

happy about most aspects, these include:

Level of Taxes (too high)
Quality of Schools (should be better)

Roads and public works (remember I am in Illinois, I know its better 

elsewhere)

Laws and values (sorry but smoking a joint should not put someone in 

prison any more than having a beer should, and decisions about any 

medical procedure should be left to a doctor, and who the hell drives 55 

mph anymore?)

But I am not sure it matters who runs the show.  I have always 

maintained that our Goverment works best when completely stymied from 

making any decisions.

As for Freedom?  The United States is actually the least free nation in 

the world:

The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the 

world.^[3] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-RoyWalmsley-2> 

^[4] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-Sentencing_Project-3> 

It also has the highest total documented prison population in the 

world.^[3] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-RoyWalmsley-2> 

^[5] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-WorldPrisonBrief-4> 

^[6] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-5> 

As of year-end 2007, a record 7.2 million people were behind bars, on 

probation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>, or on parole 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole>, with 2.3 million of those 

actually incarcerated.^[7] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-6> 

More than 1 in 100 American adults were incarcerated at the start of 

2008. The People's Republic of China 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China> ranks second 

with 1.5 million, while having four times the population, thus having 

only about 18% of the US incarceration rate.^[8] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-washpost2008feb29-7> 

^[9] 

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-pewcenterstudy-8> 

(source Wikipedia)

So while the marketing for the US of A is I think even more phenomenal 

than it is for a piss-ant little manufacturer of sports cars in Italy.  

And of course no one on this list buys into marketing hype at all so 

clearly no one is really being fooled about the US being the best place 

in the world to be? 

As for the control.  Look around...  They take it in bits and pieces and 

honestly can seize it all anytime they wanted, and would market it to 

idiots like us as "The Patriot Act"  or "Social Security"...  American's 

at every tier of the food chain are trained at an early age (see Grade 

School Pledge of Allegiance) to bypass their thought processes quickly 

when the Stars and Stripes are wrapped around an idea.  Man I try to 

un-train my head, but I still love me them Ferrari's...

BR,
Mike

Ken Rentiers wrote:

Interesting that, for those of us who remain at liberty, 'freedom'  

does not obligate anyone else. We just want to be left alone to  

quietly pursue our own happy ends.

The officious do-gooders otoh cannot stand independent thought. They  

squirm with anxierty to force feed us their own personal vision of a  

better universe, funded by large involuntary donations to the public  

trough.

We are just cirrhotic geese, fois gras fattened for consumption by the  

Imperial Dependency. In London the cameras watch as the proles queue  

up for their personal carbon credit ration cards.

It's not about health care. It's all about control, power,

K

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com> wrote:

Michael wrote:

I would agree with this, in-part, if you didn't equate 'being  

healthy'

with a LUXURY.  So not-dying from Polio or the Swine Flu ranks up  

there

with buying a Porsche, in your view?  If you can't afford  

something, you

deserve to DIE?  And you wonder why the NeoCons have an image and  

'values'

problem.....

        NeoCon??  Noun: A pejorative used by the ever so "tolerant"  

Left

to try to smear anyone to the right of them.  Commonly used in lieu of
debating the actual facts.

        I'm a small "c" conservative, libertarian-leaning, Founding
Fathers-loving, traditional AMERICAN values human being imbued by our
Creator with the right to live my life as I see fit free from (most)
government interference.

        What right do I have to compel a doctor (or a plumber or a

mechanic) to provide me a service unless we mutually agree on  

compensation

for the service?  Indeed, something can't be a "right" if it places a

sanction on someone else to provide it.  I cannot compel a farmer to  

give

me food, a carpenter to build me a home or a doctor to fix my body  

unless

we mutually agree on compensation.
        I'll guess that even you, Michael, freely trade your skills to

others in exchange for money with both parties agreeing to the  

terms.  Why

can't a doctor do the same?  I'll also guess you'd be mighty ticked  

off if

the government came to you and compelled you by force to provide me  

your

skills for free or at a lower, government-mandated rate.

        You cannot insure your health.  All health care insurance  

does is

insure my bank account against the cost of health care.

        As for being healthy, I'm 46.  Haven't been to a doctor for a

checkup, injury or disease since I was 18.  Never had a flu shot,  

including

for the swine flu.  Don't have insurance because I can't afford it.   

If I

get sick, I'll try to purchase what health care I can with the money  

I have

or turn to private charity.  Same thing I'd do if I needed big-time  

legal

help - try to find attorney I could afford or see if one will take  

my case

pro-bono.

        I choose to rely on myself and the inherent goodness of my  

fellow

Americans rather than the faceless, uncaring government bureaucrats,  

thank

you very much.

Next, you're going to tell me Jesus was wrong, too.  We are NOT our

Brother's keeper.  Gotcha.  "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of  

Happiness -

for the Upper-Class and GOP Members Only"  That's catchy - Sarah  

Palin

should run with that.

        Bwwwaaaa ha ha!  I've never made more 30K a year.  That  

makes me

very, very lower class.  Your prejudice is showing - many who espouse
conservative views are poor and middle-class.

        Being your brothers keeper means giving voluntarily of your  

time

and money.  Christ was about private philanthropy - not compelling  

others

to pay my way via the jackbooted thugs of government.

Todd
Seattle,WA
'86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 270,000 miles
'01 Golf TDI, silver.   (new work car)       223,000 miles

'87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car)   654,000 miles <- Gone  

to a new

home :(
http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff

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Re: Politics - Not List Material	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: TheMightyToe (themightytoegmail.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:19:01 -0800 (PST)