Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics - Not List Material

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

Regarding the level of taxes, 'tis cheaper to pay a CPA that knows
what he is doing than paying retail to uncle Sam...

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:18 AM, TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> 
wrote:
> I have to agree our government is crap.  I have yet to be tremendously
> happy about most aspects, these include:
>
> Level of Taxes (too high)
> Quality of Schools (should be better)
> Roads and public works (remember I am in Illinois, I know its better
> elsewhere)
> Laws and values (sorry but smoking a joint should not put someone in
> prison any more than having a beer should, and decisions about any
> medical procedure should be left to a doctor, and who the hell drives 55
> mph anymore?)
>
> But I am not sure it matters who runs the show.  I have always
> maintained that our Goverment works best when completely stymied from
> making any decisions.
>
> As for Freedom?  The United States is actually the least free nation in
> the world:
>
> The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the
> world.^[3]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-RoyWalmsley-2>
> ^[4]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-Sentencing_Project-3>
> It also has the highest total documented prison population in the
> world.^[3]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-RoyWalmsley-2>
> ^[5]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-WorldPrisonBrief-4>
> ^[6]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-5>
> As of year-end 2007, a record 7.2 million people were behind bars, on
> probation <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probation>, or on parole
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parole>, with 2.3 million of those
> actually incarcerated.^[7]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-6>
> More than 1 in 100 American adults were incarcerated at the start of
> 2008. The People's Republic of China
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China> ranks second
> with 1.5 million, while having four times the population, thus having
> only about 18% of the US incarceration rate.^[8]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-washpost2008feb29-7>
> ^[9]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#cite_note-pewcenterstudy-8>
>
> (source Wikipedia)
>
> So while the marketing for the US of A is I think even more phenomenal
> than it is for a piss-ant little manufacturer of sports cars in Italy.
> And of course no one on this list buys into marketing hype at all so
> clearly no one is really being fooled about the US being the best place
> in the world to be?
>
> As for the control.  Look around...  They take it in bits and pieces and
> honestly can seize it all anytime they wanted, and would market it to
> idiots like us as "The Patriot Act"  or "Social Security"...  American's
> at every tier of the food chain are trained at an early age (see Grade
> School Pledge of Allegiance) to bypass their thought processes quickly
> when the Stars and Stripes are wrapped around an idea.  Man I try to
> un-train my head, but I still love me them Ferrari's...
>
> BR,
> Mike
>
>
> Ken Rentiers wrote:
>> Interesting that, for those of us who remain at liberty, 'freedom'
>> does not obligate anyone else. We just want to be left alone to
>> quietly pursue our own happy ends.
>>
>> The officious do-gooders otoh cannot stand independent thought. They
>> squirm with anxierty to force feed us their own personal vision of a
>> better universe, funded by large involuntary donations to the public
>> trough.
>>
>> We are just cirrhotic geese, fois gras fattened for consumption by the
>> Imperial Dependency. In London the cameras watch as the proles queue
>> up for their personal carbon credit ration cards.
>>
>> It's not about health care. It's all about control, power,
>>
>> K
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would agree with this, in-part, if you didn't equate 'being
>>>> healthy'
>>>> with a LUXURY.  So not-dying from Polio or the Swine Flu ranks up
>>>> there
>>>> with buying a Porsche, in your view?  If you can't afford
>>>> something, you
>>>> deserve to DIE?  And you wonder why the NeoCons have an image and
>>>> 'values'
>>>> problem.....
>>>>
>>>         NeoCon??  Noun: A pejorative used by the ever so "tolerant"
>>> Left
>>> to try to smear anyone to the right of them.  Commonly used in lieu of
>>> debating the actual facts.
>>>
>>>         I'm a small "c" conservative, libertarian-leaning, Founding
>>> Fathers-loving, traditional AMERICAN values human being imbued by our
>>> Creator with the right to live my life as I see fit free from (most)
>>> government interference.
>>>
>>>         What right do I have to compel a doctor (or a plumber or a
>>> mechanic) to provide me a service unless we mutually agree on
>>> compensation
>>> for the service?  Indeed, something can't be a "right" if it places a
>>> sanction on someone else to provide it.  I cannot compel a farmer to
>>> give
>>> me food, a carpenter to build me a home or a doctor to fix my body
>>> unless
>>> we mutually agree on compensation.
>>>         I'll guess that even you, Michael, freely trade your skills to
>>> others in exchange for money with both parties agreeing to the
>>> terms.  Why
>>> can't a doctor do the same?  I'll also guess you'd be mighty ticked
>>> off if
>>> the government came to you and compelled you by force to provide me
>>> your
>>> skills for free or at a lower, government-mandated rate.
>>>
>>>         You cannot insure your health.  All health care insurance
>>> does is
>>> insure my bank account against the cost of health care.
>>>
>>>         As for being healthy, I'm 46.  Haven't been to a doctor for a
>>> checkup, injury or disease since I was 18.  Never had a flu shot,
>>> including
>>> for the swine flu.  Don't have insurance because I can't afford it.
>>> If I
>>> get sick, I'll try to purchase what health care I can with the money
>>> I have
>>> or turn to private charity.  Same thing I'd do if I needed big-time
>>> legal
>>> help - try to find attorney I could afford or see if one will take
>>> my case
>>> pro-bono.
>>>         I choose to rely on myself and the inherent goodness of my
>>> fellow
>>> Americans rather than the faceless, uncaring government bureaucrats,
>>> thank
>>> you very much.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Next, you're going to tell me Jesus was wrong, too.  We are NOT our
>>>> Brother's keeper.  Gotcha.  "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of
>>>> Happiness -
>>>> for the Upper-Class and GOP Members Only"  That's catchy - Sarah
>>>> Palin
>>>> should run with that.
>>>>
>>>         Bwwwaaaa ha ha!  I've never made more 30K a year.  That
>>> makes me
>>> very, very lower class.  Your prejudice is showing - many who espouse
>>> conservative views are poor and middle-class.
>>>         Being your brothers keeper means giving voluntarily of your
>>> time
>>> and money.  Christ was about private philanthropy - not compelling
>>> others
>>> to pay my way via the jackbooted thugs of government.
>>>
>>>
>>> Todd
>>> Seattle,WA
>>> '86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 270,000 miles
>>> '01 Golf TDI, silver.   (new work car)       223,000 miles
>>> '87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car)   654,000 miles <- Gone
>>> to a new
>>> home :(
>>> http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff
>>>
>>>
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