Re: Politics - Not List Material
From: Ken Rentiers (rentiersme.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:29:44 -0800 (PST)
Interesting that, for those of us who remain at liberty, 'freedom' does not obligate anyone else. We just want to be left alone to quietly pursue our own happy ends.

The officious do-gooders otoh cannot stand independent thought. They squirm with anxierty to force feed us their own personal vision of a better universe, funded by large involuntary donations to the public trough.

We are just cirrhotic geese, fois gras fattened for consumption by the Imperial Dependency. In London the cameras watch as the proles queue up for their personal carbon credit ration cards.

It's not about health care. It's all about control, power,

K

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On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Todd Walke <racertod [at] racertodd.com> wrote:

Michael wrote:

I would agree with this, in-part, if you didn't equate 'being healthy' with a LUXURY. So not-dying from Polio or the Swine Flu ranks up there with buying a Porsche, in your view? If you can't afford something, you deserve to DIE? And you wonder why the NeoCons have an image and 'values'
problem.....

NeoCon?? Noun: A pejorative used by the ever so "tolerant" Left
to try to smear anyone to the right of them.  Commonly used in lieu of
debating the actual facts.

        I'm a small "c" conservative, libertarian-leaning, Founding
Fathers-loving, traditional AMERICAN values human being imbued by our
Creator with the right to live my life as I see fit free from (most)
government interference.

        What right do I have to compel a doctor (or a plumber or a
mechanic) to provide me a service unless we mutually agree on compensation
for the service?  Indeed, something can't be a "right" if it places a
sanction on someone else to provide it. I cannot compel a farmer to give me food, a carpenter to build me a home or a doctor to fix my body unless
we mutually agree on compensation.
        I'll guess that even you, Michael, freely trade your skills to
others in exchange for money with both parties agreeing to the terms. Why can't a doctor do the same? I'll also guess you'd be mighty ticked off if the government came to you and compelled you by force to provide me your
skills for free or at a lower, government-mandated rate.

You cannot insure your health. All health care insurance does is
insure my bank account against the cost of health care.

        As for being healthy, I'm 46.  Haven't been to a doctor for a
checkup, injury or disease since I was 18. Never had a flu shot, including for the swine flu. Don't have insurance because I can't afford it. If I get sick, I'll try to purchase what health care I can with the money I have or turn to private charity. Same thing I'd do if I needed big-time legal help - try to find attorney I could afford or see if one will take my case
pro-bono.
I choose to rely on myself and the inherent goodness of my fellow Americans rather than the faceless, uncaring government bureaucrats, thank
you very much.

Next, you're going to tell me Jesus was wrong, too.  We are NOT our
Brother's keeper. Gotcha. "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - for the Upper-Class and GOP Members Only" That's catchy - Sarah Palin
should run with that.

Bwwwaaaa ha ha! I've never made more 30K a year. That makes me
very, very lower class.  Your prejudice is showing - many who espouse
conservative views are poor and middle-class.
Being your brothers keeper means giving voluntarily of your time and money. Christ was about private philanthropy - not compelling others
to pay my way via the jackbooted thugs of government.


Todd
Seattle,WA
'86 GTI, Red of course. (exciting racey car) 270,000 miles
'01 Golf TDI, silver.   (new work car)       223,000 miles
'87 Golf, Polar Silver. (retired work car) 654,000 miles <- Gone to a new
home :(
http://www.pureluckdesign.com <-Ferrari & VW stuff


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