Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics - Not List Material

[Stephen Sherman (sherman]

Well said Larry.

Stephen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
To: "Stephen" <sherman [at] wildblue.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material


> Ken wrote< <<demand others give up the hours of their lives>>
>
> Ahhh... my favorite tactic when my kids wanted something.  Actually I use 
> it
> on myself as well.  Whenever I or someone wants something I always ask "am 
> I
> willing to trade X hours of my life (ever how many it takes to earn the
> money needed for purchase) for something being requested? a few hours for 
> a
> weeks worth of groceries, a LOT of hours to buy a car, etc.  So the higher
> the hourly rate, the few hours of life must be traded.
>
> It is often lost in the ongoing arguments but every nearly dollar we earn
> comes from the trading of hours of our lives that we lose forever - they 
> can
> be bought by dollars but never bought *back* by dollars.  (I exclude the
> money earned by investing which provides a ROI and things like the 
> increased
> value of our homes, etc)
>
> Everyone must weight the value of the hours of their lives lost with the
> need or want of something being considered.
>
> LarryT
>
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>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] me.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:42 AM
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material
>
> > On Nov 14, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Michael James wrote:
> >
> > > I would agree with this, in-part, if you didn't equate 'being
> > > healthy' with a LUXURY.  So not-dying from Polio or the Swine Flu
> > > ranks up there with buying a Porsche, in your view?  If you can't
> > > afford something, you deserve to DIE?  And you wonder why the
> > > NeoCons have an image and 'values' problem.....
> > >
> > > Next, you're going to tell me Jesus was wrong, too.  We are NOT our
> > > Brother's keeper.  Gotcha.  "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of
> > > Happiness - for the Upper-Class and GOP Members Only"  That's catchy
> > > - Sarah Palin should run with that.
> >
> > Leaving Jesus aside, nothing is more wrong-headed than insisting that
> > health care is a "right".
> >
> > Rights are defined as those natural prerogatives, God-given if you
> > will, which accrue to any man. Being bestowed by God, they cannot be
> > constrained by government. We all know the litany - Freedom of Speech
> > etc. But your freedom to speak does not imply my mandatory attention
> > to your thesis.
> >
> > The rights of individuals are constrained by the equal rights of
> > others. Your right to wave your arms to amplify the point you are
> > making ends one inch from my nose. The plantation owner has no right
> > to demand his cotton be picked unwillingly, and without just
> > compensation, by others.
> >
> > How then does one individual, or group of individuals, have the right
> > to demand others give up the hours of their lives unwillingly and
> > without negotiation to provide them with health care?
> >
> > If your health care is a right, so then is picking my cotton.
> >
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