Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Politics - Not List Material

[LarryT (l02turner]

Ken wrote< <<demand others give up the hours of their lives>>

Ahhh... my favorite tactic when my kids wanted something.  Actually I use it 
on myself as well.  Whenever I or someone wants something I always ask "am I 
willing to trade X hours of my life (ever how many it takes to earn the 
money needed for purchase) for something being requested? a few hours for a 
weeks worth of groceries, a LOT of hours to buy a car, etc.  So the higher 
the hourly rate, the few hours of life must be traded.

It is often lost in the ongoing arguments but every nearly dollar we earn 
comes from the trading of hours of our lives that we lose forever - they can 
be bought by dollars but never bought *back* by dollars.  (I exclude the 
money earned by investing which provides a ROI and things like the increased 
value of our homes, etc)

Everyone must weight the value of the hours of their lives lost with the 
need or want of something being considered.

LarryT

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From: "Ken Rentiers" <rentiers [at] me.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 1:42 AM
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Politics - Not List Material

> On Nov 14, 2009, at 12:20 AM, Michael James wrote:
>
> > I would agree with this, in-part, if you didn't equate 'being
> > healthy' with a LUXURY.  So not-dying from Polio or the Swine Flu
> > ranks up there with buying a Porsche, in your view?  If you can't
> > afford something, you deserve to DIE?  And you wonder why the
> > NeoCons have an image and 'values' problem.....
> >
> > Next, you're going to tell me Jesus was wrong, too.  We are NOT our
> > Brother's keeper.  Gotcha.  "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of
> > Happiness - for the Upper-Class and GOP Members Only"  That's catchy
> > - Sarah Palin should run with that.
>
> Leaving Jesus aside, nothing is more wrong-headed than insisting that
> health care is a "right".
>
> Rights are defined as those natural prerogatives, God-given if you
> will, which accrue to any man. Being bestowed by God, they cannot be
> constrained by government. We all know the litany - Freedom of Speech
> etc. But your freedom to speak does not imply my mandatory attention
> to your thesis.
>
> The rights of individuals are constrained by the equal rights of
> others. Your right to wave your arms to amplify the point you are
> making ends one inch from my nose. The plantation owner has no right
> to demand his cotton be picked unwillingly, and without just
> compensation, by others.
>
> How then does one individual, or group of individuals, have the right
> to demand others give up the hours of their lives unwillingly and
> without negotiation to provide them with health care?
>
> If your health care is a right, so then is picking my cotton.
>
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