Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Check Engine Light (Cyl. 7-12) - 512TR -- Prize goes to Clyde

[kjtar (kjtar]

Larry,
     Couple of things.  It doesn't take a Ferrari master mechanic to properly 
diagnose a failed 02 sensor.  For something Ferrari-specific, maybe, but not 
that.  If you were in no need of the car (could drive something else in the 
meantime) you probably could have thanked them for their estimate, done some 
research, and come up with a cheaper solution and/or maybe found a good 
independent that could be a second opinion on this and other subsequent things 
that you are concerned with.  I bet Brian at least would be able to come up 
with either the part number (where the old 02 sensor might have been valuable, 
or at least the box for the new one) and from there you just either find one at 
a lesser price (or not).  Heck, we've both read of Ferraris with Fiat door 
handles, etc., etc.  It would be a cool academic exercise, at this point, but 
if anyone can supply the Bosch p/n and/or application guide, would be neat to 
know where it could be purchased and for how much.  And, if anyone knows of a 
good independent in Larry's area, maybe Larry could call around and ask about 
prices, whether or not they'd install owner purchased parts, etc.
Tom
---- Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> I'm sure they would have given me the old sensor if I had asked for it -- but 
> frankly I don't know what the point would have been; it's not as if the 
> defect would have been apparent, and I while I obviously am not pleased with 
> the price, I don't have any reason to doubt their honesty or competence 
> (which is another subject altogether; I know there are lots of totally 
> competent independents, but someone else mentioned to me that this dealer has 
> 4 Ferrari master mechanics -- of the total of 30 in the entire U.S.).
> 
>  
> 
> And if I were sure in advance that the problem was an O2 sensor, perhaps I 
> would have tracked down the part, for a more modest price, and had some 
> competent independent install it.  But (despite Clyde's educated guess), I 
> didn't in fact know that to be the case.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom and Mike have given examples of dirt cheap (relative to what I was 
> charged) prices for O2 sensors for other cars.  But I haven't heard anyone 
> say that the actual sensor for my car is even close to those prices.  Anyone 
> know what a more competitive price for the correct sensor is?  I've heard 
> that sensors for some modern cars, e.g., Audis, do run at least $2xx.
>  
> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:06:21 -0500
> > From: kjtar [at] cox.net
> > To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check Engine Light (Cyl. 7-12) - 512TR -- Prize goes 
> > to Clyde
> > CC: ferrarilist [at] ferrarilist.com
> > 
> > Did they offer to give you the old 02 sensor? How about the box from the 
> > new part? Nice of them to give you the pre-December price, as it was in 
> > their stock and purchased at the "old" price. I know people have posted 
> > Bosch p/n cross reference lists, would think they'd be available online or 
> > maybe one of the parts gurus could run the p/n and get the applications. 
> > Next time. Larry, find a good independent, like a good dentist. 
> > All the best,
> > Tom in Tulsa
> > 
> > ---- Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > That's even more depressing than the $80 Mike said one cost for his car.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Not only was the price $338.87 (not including tax), but they told me that 
> > > the price had just gone up to over $500 in December -- but they were 
> > > giving me the pre-increase price. Wow, must have been my lucky day.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:18:25 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Check Engine Light (Cyl. 7-12) - 512TR -- Prize 
> > > goes to Clyde
> > > From: pokiebaron [at] gmail.com
> > > To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
> > > CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > > 
> > > Think I paid about $35 for a Bosch O2 for my old 911. Bet they rounded 
> > > off the "work" to the nearest hour too. hee hee
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > > 911SC
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 2009/12/3 Larry B <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Well, Clyde's hypothesis was correct -- it was the O2 sensor. Of course, 
> > > having had the dealer troubleshoot the problem (downloading the codes, 
> > > etc.) and fix it, the work was far from cheap. The price of the Os sensor 
> > > was a particular surprise -- not that I have a sense of what they cost 
> > > for "ordinary" cars. But I believe it's a Bosch part, and quite possibly 
> > > used by other cars. Makes me wonder if I could have purchased one that 
> > > worked, though intended for another car -- and whether a dealer would 
> > > agree to install a part they didn't provide (with their customary parts 
> > > margins).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Larry
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > ------Original Message------
> > > > From: Larry B
> > > > To: Clyde Romero
> > > > Cc: The FerrariList
> > > > Subject: [Ferrari] Check Engine Light (Cyl. 7-12) - 512TR
> > > > Sent: Nov 16, 2009 12:22 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Once again the warning light has appeared. If there isn't any 
> > > > noticeable adverse effect on performance (no missing, unusual sounds, 
> > > > atypical gauge readings), am I correct that (1) it's probably a loose 
> > > > wire and (2) no harm will probably result from driving it (at least 10 
> > > > miles to my dealer, or another competent mechanic)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Larry
> > > 
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