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From: philville dejazzd.com (philville dejazzd.com)
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| Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:48:55 -0800 (PST) | |
My experience with German cars subsequent to the 1970's is that they get to a certain point, where they still run great ....but every trip to the shop even if it is to check the tire pressure costs no less than $1000.00 but then that is just my experience. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Stark <MStark [at] Copper.net> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Ferrari] German Cars To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > Good luck finding any German car that can run 100K miles trouble > free. > I and my immediate family members have owned upwards of 10 cars > from > Audi, MB, and BMW, and currently own an A8 and M3. Trouble > free is not > a phrase that can be associated with any of them - past or > present. > > Michael James wrote: > > >I was hoping of getting-into a German car in the next month or > two - I actually like the MB C280 4Matic or a 5-speed manual 3- > Series BMW. I think either car would be practical and a > good 'snow-car' with Blizzacks on the rims. I'm not > looking to 'make statements' per se, or drive a land-yaht (I > don't know any fat people who need seat-space defined in cubic > yards) - I just want a 4-door car that is well-built, great in > the snow, some Cache', some modern/modest luxury, and can run > for 100K miles trouble-free. I'm finding LOTS of C280s and > 3-Series BMWs with sub-30K miles for around $20K, cars that > would appear to be leased vehicles that were gently-used. > > > >Keep in mind, my 'current' car is a 1996 stripped Ford Ranger > with 250,000+ miles on it. A five-year-old Honda would be > luxurious in comparison - I'm not a 'bells-and-whistles' > guy. If the heater and A/C work, and there's a radio, I'm > pretty happy. > > > >M > > > >P.S. - the Head work on my 308 is going well, I should have > those finished in January. The Transfer Case and > associated bearings will also be done by spring. Having a > great deal of difficulty finding the correct Cylinder Liners at > an affordable price, though. > > > > > > > > > >--- On Wed, 12/23/09, TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >From: TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Michael Schumacher > >To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com> > >Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> > >Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:02 AM > > > > > >KR says: > >But fear not; the German cars have video cameras to use > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured. > > > >Ken, you do realize that these exact "advances" are > specifically > >targetting the Houston area driver? Flat perfect roads, > occasional > >floods mixed with year round perfect conditions, and the worst > >collective driving ability on the planet? Seriously last > time I drove > >there I saw some poor bastard on a Harley get taken out by a > lady in an > >SUV on her cell phone, leaving a tollbooth. Last time I > saw something > >that horrible was on trip to India (where I imagine driver > training is > >marginally better than Houston's). > > > >But on BMW's I agree, that company jumped the Shark back in > 2000. My > >E46 M3 was probably my last BMW, they just don't make a cool > car > >anymore. MB has never appealed to me in any way, > not even their > >"classics" which are below any standard set by their > contemporaries in > >both looks and performance. Who wants a car that lasts > forever if its > >hideous and you have to look at it forever? They drive > very solidly, > >but have no soul whatsoever and really belong only in the hands > of a > >retiree. Porsche and Audi are about the only German car > companies > >making interesting rides these days (I do like my VW GTI a lot, > but it > >is a standout for VW's line of cars I think). > > > >Now here is something I pondered a few nights ago at the movie > >theaters... They played an add for Kia, and the ad > was not for a car > >but for the company. The pitch was how great and modern > their > >manufacturing plant in the southern US was and how it provided > jobs for > >American workers... So if I analyze this? What they > are actually > >saying is it is cheaper for them to make cars in the deep south > of the > >US than in Korea? Wow. Just wow and how sad for us > to be practically a > >third world country in many respects... > > > >That said, a neighbor of mine has a Hyundai Genesis Sedan, and > it is > >every bit as nice as a Merc S class. Even looks like one > a bit. > > > >Now what I really do not get, is how ANY car company could link > F1 to > >their product line? When have we seen any F1 tech in a > Mercedes if > >ever? Or a Renault, or a Toyota road car? > > > >BR, > >Mike > > > > > >Ken Rentiers wrote: > > > > > >>Fellippe always enjoy your messages, but I have to disagree > with this one. > >> > >>It's certainly true that many of the old garden variety Benz's > were slow, and about as exciting to drive as, well, a bank vault > which is what they were built like. It is also true that many of > the latest iteration of MB and BMW products are crap. > >> > >>Due to the pressures of the Deutschland greenies much of the > current BMW line is now made of recycled plastic. This includes > the radiator. Given enough heat/cool cycles (oh say 50,000 miles > worth) the eco-plastic becomes as brittle as the peanut variety > of same, and cracks. Usually at the most inopportune time, > giving you about 30 seconds to shut down before the head warps. > >> > >>Did I mention they were as ugly as moose butts? Did I mention > they had no dipsticks? Onliest way you can check the oil level > is to drain it out and measure it! > >> > >>Crap. Idiocy. Obergruppenarrogance! > >> > >>But fear not; the German cars have video cameras to use > backing up until mirrors are invented. They have vibrators in > the steering wheel that chide you when you prove incapable of > staying in your lane. They have forward-looking xray lasers to > part the waters when the road floods. And the tires are good for > 10,000 miles. Unless you get the run-flat option which rides > like Flintstone Rocktreads and cannot be fixed when punctured. > >> > >>Crap!!! - gimme the older, simpler cars that you drove instead > of rode in. The ones without bulbous snouts to meet new Euro- > regs about not hitting below the pedestrians' knees. Like the > ugly new 5 series. Don't cry for me Pininfarina - I got some > nice old iron I shall keep forever. > >> > >>Screw progress and while I'm at it HUMBUG! > >> > >>Except for you Fellippe - you're a good guy even if you do > latch on to a little misdirected opinion at times. My best to > you and yours and have a wonderful Christmas. All the rest of > you too, except those taken in by the Hollywood crap machine now > showing "Eco-smurfs v The US Marines" (Avatar). ##$%^&* tree- > hugging commies every one of them. > >> > >>:-) > >>love and kisses > >>the kenverine > >> > >> > >>On Dec 22, 2009, at 10:14 PM, Fellippe Galletta wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 8:46 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Roger that...before they became plastic toasters? > >>>> > >>>>I'll take a 190E 2.3 16v and an AMG Hammer. > >>>> > >>>>LS > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Oh man. > >>> > >>>With some of you guys on here, it's like every civilian brand > needs to > >>>maintain a 250 GTO like aura around their cars....ugh. > >>> > >>>Sure, MB of new isn't quite like MB of old but who seriously > wants a 190E > >>>over a new E, S, CL, CLK, SL or CLS? LOL. > >>> > >>>A vintage Gullwing is a different story of course, and a > genuine AMG Hammer > >>>or Porsche built E500 is worthy of consideration, but not all > garden>>>variety Benzes made between 1980-1999. You seriously > want bulletproof, buy a > >>>new Japanese car...done, end of story. > >>> > >>>I'll play along and be a good sport and say the '90s S Class > was the last of > >>>the uber Mercedes Benz elite class. When comparing each respective > >>>generation of S, this was easily the best, from the look, the > armored car > >>>like construction, those dual pane windows, and the first big > HP V12 in the > >>>600...the quintessential Benz. > >>> > >>>Still wouldn't get it over the newer S's. You're buying an > >>>expensive prestige sedan for the cachet/style/keeping up with the > >>>joneses/etc first, everything else comes second. Anyone who > says otherwise > >>>is clearly lying to himself or others! > >>> > >>>The '90s S or Miami Vice era S's no longer fit the bill....so > no point in > >>>owning these maintenance nightmares unless it's for the > novelty factor and > >>>short term. For that LS, you did it right with those BMWs! > >>> > >>>It's time to expose the (forty) 800 pound gorilla for what it > is! I don't > >>>hate those older Benzes...still respect them....but to act > like they were > >>>the only good cars from the factory is silly. > >>> > >>>FG > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >>>http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/rentiers%40mai l.com > >>> > >>>Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > >>>and F1 Headlines > >>>http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >>http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/themightytoe%40 gmail.com > >> > >>Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > >>and F1 Headlines > >>http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > >> > >> > >> > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/cavallino_rapant e%40yahoo.com > > > >Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > >and F1 Headlines > >http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > >http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/mstark%40copper. net > > > >Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > >and F1 Headlines > >http://www.F1Headlines.com/ > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: > http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/philville%40dejaz zd.com > > Sponsored by BooyahMedia.com > and F1 Headlines > http://www.F1Headlines.com/ Please visit ................. www.radnorconcours.org "The Concours d'Elegance at Radnor Hunt" You will be glad that you did. 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- Re: German Cars, (continued)
- Re: German Cars Michael James, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars Martin Stark, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars Erik Nielsen, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars E M, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars philville dejazzd.com, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars LarryT, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars kjtar, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars Jim Conforti, December 23 2009
- Re: German Cars Ken Rentiers, December 23 2009
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