It means that they're made in China and they're crap, unfortunately. Been down this road already. What's sad is this is probably what the 'Factory Sources' are now peddling as legitimate 'Ferrari parts' for our cars. The unsuspecting, or the unknowledgable might not know the difference, since we're talking 25 year old engines and this knowledge was only known in the 1980s Service bays. On some trivial plastic/trim items, it might not make a difference - but for internal engine components, its life-or-death. My mechanic wouldn't trust his reputation and my engine lifespan to anything that doesn't meet original Factory Specs, so he hunts for the Real Deal until he finds it and that's what he uses in his shop. We found a set of OEM Vandy bearings - it took a few weeks, and they weren't cheap, but who needs the
headaches if an 'alternative-vendor' engine bearing fails prematurely? How much money will we have saved then?
I've bought Marelli parts from Superformance UK before - the closest those items ever came to Italy was when the Chinese cargo plane flew OVER it to get to the UK. What Superformance parts I did actually use needed to be drilled/cut/shaped to fit (Cap rotors - how hard was it to screw them up? Not that hard, apparently - the dimensions were off and they didn't fit). The rest of the stuff I ditched on ebay. It was all crap. The parts were 'affordable', but none of it was OEM. There are interesting times ahead....
M
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:46 PM
Found some main/rod bearings at http://www.superformance.co.uk/a-308/eg.htm that say "manufactured to Vandervell spec" (whatever that means) and also show some in Vandervell boxes - not sure what the quality is though.
LarryT
OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
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Once its gone, its GONE, folks!
My engine mechanic is already scouring the earth looking for genuine Vandervelle Engine Bearings for 308 motors....the current 'crop' of aftermarket crap being passed-off as Ferrari parts these days makes him very scared for the future of these machines. LOTS of OEM suppliers of Ferrari parts have given-up the limited market of Italian exotics support, and the only folks picking-up the torch are the Chinese knock-off crowd who don't give two-shits about the original Specs/dimensions/tolerances of the part they're reproducing and offering today. If you think that's a good thing, you might want to trade-in your 308 for a Honda now.....
M
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
From: Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
To: "Michael James" <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>, "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 9:43 AM
Michael,
I should have done that, too. When I bought new Euro front lenses from Ferrari UK, I bought two pair. I put the second pair on eBay with no reserve and selling that one pair almost paid for both pair. And that was several years ago....
-matt
'85 euro 308
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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One step ahead of you....I've been stockpiling 308 Carello plastic for two years now. If anyone wants a Carello Turn Signal assembly (minus lense) for their 308 front bumper, I have one or two NOS units I can spare....
M
From: Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:35 PM
THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS?
Yikes -
And here I was bitching about dropping a grand on a real Bosch complete lens set with silver trim for our '71 911T restoration.
Seems if we buy a newer Ferrari we also need to invest in "crunchables" such as bumpers, light cans and lenses. Then, place them in a Halliburton Zero 21" carbon fiber carry on and place the whole mess in a cool dry place.
Thank God the Italia only has two tail lights - THE reason to buy one.
DOUG
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Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
Darn good thing as the only available front driving lamps for the 512TR are for French version cars or Euro version. A pair of them will relieve you of a wee bit over $3k.
> From: clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net
> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:07:10 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
>
> I did this to all of my lenses on the 512
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:14:12
> To: Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
> Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: [Ferrari] Great advice.
>
> Brian K. said......
>
> "get the thick clear plastic to put over the lenses"
>
> GREAT ADVICE!
> --
>
> Philip A Tegtmeier
> Go to: PhilvilleUSA.com
>
> Be sure to visit: www.radnorconcours.org
>
> contact info:
> 610.525.8949
> philville [at] dejazzd.com
>
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>
> ---- Brian Keegan <bks281 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I recommend to anyone with a TR/328/3.2 Mondial/Mondial t to get the thick clear plastic to put over the lenses. Anyplace that sells the 3M Clear bra would have that stuff. Not a bad idea for the 348/512TR owners as all those lamps are approaching extinction if not already there.Brian
> >
> > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 04:29:51 -0700
> > From: cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328
> > CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
> >
> > Carello is no longer in-business. Those front light clusters used to go for $7,000/pair, IF you could find them. They are NLA.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/6/10, philville [at] dejazzd.com <philville [at] dejazzd.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: philville [at] dejazzd.com
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328
> > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
> > Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> > Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:56 PM
> >
> >
> > I missed the first portion of this mail, Britts commentary on the 328 and parts availabity,
> > Parts like lenses are becoming very difficult to find....any one happen to have a LF lens for an 86 328 GTS?.
> >
> > Thanks, Phil
> > --
> >
> > Philip A Tegtmeier
> > Go to:
PhilvilleUSA.com
> >
> > Be sure to visit: www.radnorconcours.org
> >
> > contact info:
> > 610.525.8949
> > philville [at] dejazzd.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ah but here is the thing...
> > >
> > > If you truly loved her, you wouldn't care if she wasn't all original...
> > > You'd be keeping her forever so what does it matter if some
> > bits
make
> > > her lose "resale" value when you won't be selling her?
> > >
> > > It sounds like keeping it all original is a great idea for holding the
> > > car's value, but clearly there is a lack of commitment in doing that :)
> > >
> > > If I were to have a 328... (can't do it though, too many hours watching
> > > Magnum PI as a kid prevent me from not hearing the show's theme song
> > > every time I see a 308 or 328...) Tubi exhaust (or similar), better
> > > tires, better brake pads, and god anything to make the car actually go a
> > > bit faster :) I have said this before and I will say it again... Very
> > > little good came from the 1980's (OK the 2nd Star Wars movie was
> > > decent)... Emissions control went in in the mid 70's and was in full
> > > effect by 1980... Making most all
cars suck. This may be why most cars
> > > that predate about 1975 are
> > worth so much more than what comes
> > > later... Of course I was just a lil tyke back then, but I definitely
> > > recall my parent's 76 Stingray, and 79 Trans AM as being nothing close
> > > to the 71 Nova my Dad used to have...
> > >
> > > BR,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Britt2Asa [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > > Personally I don't understand why you would want to modify a 328 at
> > > > all. Changing it changes the car and it is no longer a 328. If you
> > > > want something faster or more reliable than buy a different car, or
> > > > build a kit car. I want my cars in period. At the
local FOC meeting at
> > > > a local pub here in Telford Thursday one guy brought his Daytona. Lots
> > > > of cars are faster and nicer to drive than a Daytona but to him its
> > > >
> > the car he wanted (he has owned it since 1983).
> > > >
> > > > In terms of parts always being available for 328's they aren't over
> > > > here. Try to get a front fog lamp. Or a fuse box. Or almost any body
> > > > panel (maybe you can get used bits from scap cars but insurance
> > > > companies over here wont fit used parts to insurance repairs so you
> > > > can't get them)
> > > >
> > > > In 2001 almost everything was available. For my 400i in 2004
> > > > everything was available until I stripped the marenello warehouse of
> > > > the last factory bits
for use on my car! Parts are disappearing for
> > > > 328s. Need an ECU? Forget it,. Of course you may be able to use modern
> > > > bits and re-engineer things but then the car isn't original. Then it
> > > > isn't a Ferrari, its a kit car. Over here in the UK non original parts
> > > > would DESTROY the
> > resale value of the car. I wouldn't buy anything
> > > > that wasn't 100% as it left the factory. Not everybody feels this way
> > > > of course but I bet more people do than would admit....or maybe it an
> > > > American thing to modify so much....
> > > >
> > > > Lastly on 328 values, a really really nice 88-89 328GTS here will
> > > > fetch about 35k so close to the 45-50k mark of Phils car. If I could
> > > > move back to the states tomorrow and the car was a very
very good car
> > > > I would pay 50k no problem. For the right car who wants to mess around
> > > > for a few thousand?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BR in the UK
> > > > 1986 328GTS (LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury UK
> > > > 1980 400i (RHD 74,000 miles)
> > > > Searching for the right 512TR
> > > > 1985 Bertone X1/9
> > > >
> > 2003 BMW 530d
> > > > 1991 Alfa Spider S4 LHD
> > > > 1993 Alfa Spider S4 LHD
> > > > 2010 BMW 320d
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 04/06/2010 16:24:17 GMT Daylight Time,
> > > > fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Fortune Motors
> > > > <wade [at] fortunemotors.com <mailto:wade [at] fortunemotors.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I currently have an 89 328 in my
> > shop doing performance
> > > > upgrades to it.
> > > >
> > > > Electromotive Tec GT system, and am rebuilding the fuel system
> > > > on the car,
> > > > changing everything over to a larger throttle body with
> > > > electronic fuel
> > > > injection. After
all is done we estimate to increase HP by 25%
> > > > It does away with the garbage mechanical fuel injection system
> > > > also going to
> > > > direct fire ignition. Much more reliable and cheaper to
> > > > maintain overall.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > Wade
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > These are cool and "kosher" upgrades that should be done on all
> > > > older fuel injected Ferraris.
> > > >
> > > > FG
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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