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I can see the problem. Also,the
shops/technicians who understand the problem are becoming fewer and fewer as the
years pass. Dealers are so focused on new cars that this kind of info is
totally in the hands of a few dedicated technicians who are willing to learn
(usually) as a apprentice of a true craftsman.
I've run across Chinese parts in the past - I
owned a MB parts/accessory store and some how very well counterfeited flywheel
bolts had gotten into the supply chain. After a number of failures the
problem was found and a large number of the bolts scrapped. (It may have
been clutch bolts - it's been a while)
The reality is it's extremely hard to tell the
difference between good counterfeits and the real deal. Even US Money is
not immune - I hear China and N Korea has the same machines we use to make money
with leaving only the paper as the hurdle.
Anyway - I guess Vandy stopped making 308
bearings because of slow sales?
LarryT
OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
www.youroil.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
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It means that they're made in China and they're crap,
unfortunately. Been down this road already. What's sad
is this is probably what the 'Factory Sources' are now peddling as
legitimate 'Ferrari parts' for our cars. The unsuspecting, or the
unknowledgable might not know the difference, since we're talking 25 year
old engines and this knowledge was only known in the 1980s Service
bays. On some trivial plastic/trim items, it might not make a
difference - but for internal engine components, its life-or-death.
My mechanic wouldn't trust his reputation and my engine lifespan to
anything that doesn't meet original Factory Specs, so he hunts for the
Real Deal until he finds it and that's what he uses in his shop. We
found a set of OEM Vandy bearings - it took a few weeks, and they weren't
cheap, but who needs the headaches if an 'alternative-vendor' engine
bearing fails prematurely? How much money will we have saved
then?
I've bought Marelli parts from Superformance UK before - the closest
those items ever came to Italy was when the Chinese cargo plane flew OVER
it to get to the UK. What Superformance parts I did actually use
needed to be drilled/cut/shaped to fit (Cap rotors - how hard was it to
screw them up? Not that hard, apparently - the dimensions were off
and they didn't fit). The rest of the stuff I ditched on ebay.
It was all crap. The parts were 'affordable', but none of it was
OEM. There are interesting times ahead....
M
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, LarryT
<l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
From:
LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great
advice.
To: "Michael James"
<cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList"
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 4:46
PM
Found some main/rod bearings at http://www.superformance.co.uk/a-308/eg.htm that
say "manufactured to Vandervell spec" (whatever that means) and also
show some in Vandervell boxes - not sure what the quality is
though.
LarryT
OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche
Posters? www.youroil.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
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Once its gone, its GONE, folks!
My engine mechanic is already scouring the earth looking for
genuine Vandervelle Engine Bearings for 308 motors....the current
'crop' of aftermarket crap being passed-off as Ferrari parts these
days makes him very scared for the future of these machines.
LOTS of OEM suppliers of Ferrari parts have given-up the limited
market of Italian exotics support, and the only folks picking-up
the torch are the Chinese knock-off crowd who don't give two-shits
about the original Specs/dimensions/tolerances of the part they're
reproducing and offering today. If you think that's a good
thing, you might want to trade-in your 308 for a Honda
now.....
M
--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Matt Boyd
<ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com> wrote:
From:
Matt Boyd <ferrari308driver [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] Great advice.
To: "Michael James"
<cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>, "The FerrariList"
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010,
9:43 AM
Michael,
I should have done that, too. When I bought new Euro front
lenses from Ferrari UK, I bought two pair. I put the second pair
on eBay with no reserve and selling that one pair almost paid
for both pair. And that was several years ago....
-matt
'85 euro 308
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Michael
James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
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One step ahead of you....I've been stockpiling 308
Carello plastic for two years now. If anyone wants
a Carello Turn Signal assembly (minus lense) for their
308 front bumper, I have one or two NOS units I can
spare....
M
From:
Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great
advice.
Date:
Monday, June 7, 2010, 6:35 PM
THREE THOUSAND
DOLLARS?
Yikes -
And here I was bitching about
dropping a grand on a real Bosch complete lens set
with silver trim for our '71 911T
restoration.
Seems if we buy a newer Ferrari
we also need to invest in "crunchables" such as
bumpers, light cans and lenses. Then, place them
in a Halliburton Zero 21" carbon fiber carry on and
place the whole mess in a cool dry place.
Thank God the Italia only has
two tail lights - THE reason to buy one.
DOUG
----- Original Message
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Sent: Monday,
June 07, 2010 2:40 PM
Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] Great advice.
Darn good thing as the only available
front driving lamps for the 512TR are for French
version cars or Euro version. A pair of them will
relieve you of a wee bit over $3k.
> From:
clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net
>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:07:10 +0000
>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Great advice.
> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>
To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
>
> I did this to all of my lenses on the
512
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:14:12
> To:
Clyde<Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>
Subject: [Ferrari] Great advice.
>
>
Brian K. said......
>
> "get the thick
clear plastic to put over the lenses"
>
> GREAT ADVICE!
> --
>
>
Philip A Tegtmeier
> Go to:
PhilvilleUSA.com
>
> Be sure to visit:
www.radnorconcours.org
>
> contact info:
> 610.525.8949
>
philville [at] dejazzd.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- Brian Keegan <bks281 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I recommend to anyone
with a TR/328/3.2 Mondial/Mondial t to get the thick
clear plastic to put over the lenses. Anyplace that
sells the 3M Clear bra would have that stuff. Not a
bad idea for the 348/512TR owners as all those lamps
are approaching extinction if not already
there.Brian
> >
> > Date: Mon, 7
Jun 2010 04:29:51 -0700
> > From: cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com
>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a
328
> > CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>
> To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
> >
> > Carello is no longer in-business.
Those front light clusters used to go for
$7,000/pair, IF you could find them. They are
NLA.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 6/6/10, philville [at] dejazzd.com
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
From: philville [at] dejazzd.com
<philville [at] dejazzd.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a
328
> > To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
>
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
>
> Date: Sunday, June 6, 2010, 9:56 PM
>
>
> >
> > I missed the first
portion of this mail, Britts commentary on the 328
and parts availabity,
> > Parts like
lenses are becoming very difficult to find....any
one happen to have a LF lens for an 86 328
GTS?.
> >
> > Thanks,
Phil
> > --
> >
> >
Philip A Tegtmeier
> > Go to:
PhilvilleUSA.com
> >
> > Be sure
to visit: www.radnorconcours.org
>
>
> > contact info:
> >
610.525.8949
> > philville [at] dejazzd.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> > ---- Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ah but here is the
thing...
> > >
> > > If you
truly loved her, you wouldn't care if she wasn't all
original...
> > > You'd be keeping her
forever so what does it matter if some
> >
bits make
> > > her lose "resale" value
when you won't be selling her?
> > >
> > > It sounds like keeping it all
original is a great idea for holding the
>
> > car's value, but clearly there is a lack
of commitment in doing that :)
> > >
> > > If I were to have a 328... (can't
do it though, too many hours watching
> >
> Magnum PI as a kid prevent me from not hearing
the show's theme song
> > > every time
I see a 308 or 328...) Tubi exhaust (or similar),
better
> > > tires, better brake pads,
and god anything to make the car actually go a
> > > bit faster :) I have said this
before and I will say it again... Very
> >
> little good came from the 1980's (OK the 2nd
Star Wars movie was
> > > decent)...
Emissions control went in in the mid 70's and was in
full
> > > effect by 1980... Making
most all cars suck. This may be why most cars
> > > that predate about 1975
are
> > worth so much more than what comes
> > > later... Of course I was just a
lil tyke back then, but I definitely
> >
> recall my parent's 76 Stingray, and 79 Trans AM
as being nothing close
> > > to the 71
Nova my Dad used to have...
> > >
> > > BR,
> > >
Mike
> > >
> > >
>
> > Britt2Asa [at] aol.com
wrote:
> > > > Personally I don't
understand why you would want to modify a 328 at
> > > > all. Changing it changes the
car and it is no longer a 328. If you
> >
> > want something faster or more reliable
than buy a different car, or
> > > >
build a kit car. I want my cars in period. At the
local FOC meeting at
> > > > a local
pub here in Telford Thursday one guy brought his
Daytona. Lots
> > > > of cars are
faster and nicer to drive than a Daytona but to him
its
> > > >
> > the car he
wanted (he has owned it since 1983).
> >
> >
> > > > In terms of parts
always being available for 328's they aren't over
> > > > here. Try to get a front fog
lamp. Or a fuse box. Or almost any body
>
> > > panel (maybe you can get used bits
from scap cars but insurance
> > > >
companies over here wont fit used parts to insurance
repairs so you
> > > > can't get
them)
> > > >
> > > >
In 2001 almost everything was available. For my 400i
in 2004
> > > > everything was
available until I stripped the marenello warehouse
of
> > > > the last factory bits for
use on my car! Parts are disappearing for
>
> > > 328s. Need an ECU? Forget it,. Of
course you may be able to use modern
> >
> > bits and re-engineer things but then the
car isn't original. Then it
> > > >
isn't a Ferrari, its a kit car. Over here in the UK
non original parts
> > > > would
DESTROY the
> > resale value of the car. I
wouldn't buy anything
> > > > that
wasn't 100% as it left the factory. Not everybody
feels this way
> > > > of course but
I bet more people do than would admit....or maybe it
an
> > > > American thing to modify
so much....
> > > >
> >
> > Lastly on 328 values, a really really nice
88-89 328GTS here will
> > > > fetch
about 35k so close to the 45-50k mark of Phils car.
If I could
> > > > move back to the
states tomorrow and the car was a very very good car
> > > > I would pay 50k no problem.
For the right car who wants to mess around
>
> > > for a few thousand?
> > >
>
> > > > Regards
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> BR in the UK
> > > > 1986 328GTS
(LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury
UK
> > > > 1980 400i (RHD 74,000
miles)
> > > > Searching for the
right 512TR
> > > > 1985 Bertone
X1/9
> > > >
> > 2003 BMW
530d
> > > > 1991 Alfa Spider S4
LHD
> > > > 1993 Alfa Spider S4
LHD
> > > > 2010 BMW 320d
>
> > >
> > > > In a message
dated 04/06/2010 16:24:17 GMT Daylight Time,
> > > > fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com
writes:
> > > >
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Fortune
Motors
> > > > <wade [at] fortunemotors.com
<mailto:wade [at] fortunemotors.com>>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
I currently have an 89 328 in my
> > shop
doing performance
> > > > upgrades to
it.
> > > >
> > > >
Electromotive Tec GT system, and am rebuilding the
fuel system
> > > > on the
car,
> > > > changing everything over
to a larger throttle body with
> > >
> electronic fuel
> > > >
injection. After all is done we estimate to increase
HP by 25%
> > > > It does away with
the garbage mechanical fuel injection system
>
> > > also going to
> > > >
direct fire ignition. Much more reliable and cheaper
to
> > > > maintain overall.
>
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > Wade
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > >
These are cool and "kosher" upgrades that should be
done on all
> > > > older fuel
injected Ferraris.
> > > >
>
> > > FG
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> > > >
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