Hello,
Good points!
Individual results vary car to car. My Jag E Type Type III never fried the electronic module in hot South Texas while many owners had to relocate the unit
with spacers to keep one functional. Why, who knows? On the other hand I have had high frequency of water pump failures with MGs and clutch cylinder failures with IHC products. With manufacturing tolerances being what they are, good cars and parts and bad cars and parts roll out of all factories.
You are right on German attitude; at least as per the BMW M/C division.
For decades on every flat twin the rear main ebgine seal failed in the first several thousand miles. If the rider complained, the dealer warrentied it. The replacement seal would last 50,000 miles plus! At least it was a good opportunity to get inside to
lighten the flywheel and brace the swingarm! Apparently BMW was going to use every seal regardless. Another BMW problem that was never fixed was the small nub on the camshaft that drove the ignition; using a normal wrench would overtorque it and the breakage required a new cam. True they gave you a minature short wrench but never explained why!
Enzo may have built road cars to finance F1 but compare his offerings to the competition back in the day! And Ferrari built some great sports racing cars; perfect no but better than much of the competition.
Ciao
Dale
--- On Fri, 11/12/10, E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com> wrote:
From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
To: "dale sailors" <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 5:22 PM
I think these days, there is lots of corporate sharing and selling going on, again, much to that advantage of the average consumer. Ferrari have a lot of Germany fuel injection systems on them, and I'm sure more than half the Porsches that roll off the line, do so on Italian rubber. A friend of mine drove a Countach for a time, as daily transportation. He didn't really mention having any kind of mechanical problems outside of what most other cars experience, but he did say, the a/c was crap, and with that HUGE front windshield, made life pretty miserable driving mid summer! The thing with German engineers, even when they do find a problem, they are most likely to tell you it's your fault. Don't believe me; buy an old 911 and blow up the air box, or drop a chain tensioner, and see what they have to say about it. "We have a new improved version to sell you, but their was nothing wrong with the old
version. It failed because you didn't drive it properly!!". hee hee. As for the "Enzo philosophy", wasn't that to sell crap road cars for lots of money, to pay for the F1 effort? ;-) lol Ed 911SC
On 12 November 2010 17:42, dale sailors <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
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Hello.
Please note I am not advocating VW acquire any part of Ferrari from Fiat
or Alfa Romeo or Maserati either. I was commenting on the magazine article referenced in another post.
I also am not stating an opinion regarding Maserati's recent business history;
I just was more interested in Maserati when they made pure racing cars.
I occassionally read road tests of the "L" word cars but am not particularly interested in any outside the Countertach (styling) and first 3599 and 5000GTs.
I am not familar with their defects or remedies applied to improve them.
However no manufacturer or car is perfect.
Witness the recent number of issues with fires in 458s.
Whether "German" enginerring would have caught the cause of the problem any ear;ier than Ferrari did is unknown.
I also do not advocate Ferrari needs German or any other outside of Italy enginerring assistance.
What I would like to see is a F1 team with Italian drivers and more return to the Enzo Ferrari philosophy for F1 and street car design.
Ciao
From: Michael James <cavallino_rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
To: "dale sailors" <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Friday, November 12, 2010, 3:22 PM
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Dale-
If it wasn't for the Ferrari infustion of cash and Ferrari-engineered/built drivetrains, Maserati would no longer exist. Who provided Showroom floor-space for the Maser re-introduction into the US? Whose cash STILL keeps the company afloat? I rest my case.
Unlike Lambo, whose independence-demise could be directly tagged to their quality issues, Ferrari doesn't have that problem. Ferrari could probably teach VW a thing or two about quality these days - all the German brands are suffering, limping-by on their 'prestige'. Ferrari is not vulnerable, nor is there a need for new ideas at Maranello that German engineering would be welcome.
From: dale sailors <sailorsdaleedward [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] SAY IT AIN'T SO
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 3:47 PM
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Hello,
VW buying FERRARI in part? Wow!
I've owned two VW Things (Type 181) and known several advanced VW tuners of the air cooled flat 4 motors. Interesting but quality conttrol and finish was iffy. Parts get high quick too. Just try pricing a set of side curtains whose windows yellow in 24 months, a wiper motor or anything for the 1973 gas heater! I had some negative experience too with the early diesel RABBIT (admittedly on Mexico sourced diesel fuel). The Mexico made HORMIGA heavy truck based on the RABBIT was durable if bog slow though.
BUGGATI and LAMBORGHINI have survived VW ownership fairly well it seems? I can't see FERRARI and LAMBO with the same owner though. I would even hate to see VW get MASERATI, the "trident" has suffered enough under FIATand FERRARI (of course my idea of MASERATI is a TYPO 60/61/6364/65 or
151 or 450S. FIAT should keep ALFA ROMEO too, it complements FERRARI and MASERATI nicely. If anything FIAT should dump CHRYSLER on VW.
Just my ideas,
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