Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Fw: Video: Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 dyno run goes boom in spectacular fashion

[LS (lashdeep]

"I'm not a marquee guy, I like a car that's fun to drive first and a pretty face second...  A mustang has never had either for me :)  For the money I'd rather have a Miata (or my GTI for that matter)."

Alright, you finally admitted that you don't like Mustangs and that you've never driven one properly setup for the road course.

So, how can you have an opinion on their abilities? I haven't seen any facts or tech yet...

Come out to DC and you're welcome to drive my Cobra or the Shelby when it's done.

An ex-pro driver described my Cobra as "faultless" after 15 laps at Summit Pt in it... And he was a *winning* Trans Am and IMSA GTP driver. He's turned a 0:59 second lap at Summit Pt in a Porsche 962.

Mike, do you know something that this guy doesn't?

If so, you should be driving a Le Mans prototype or consulting for Williams F1.

The big boys race and/or build their own cars...they don't do track events or point people by.

LS

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From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 5:55:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fw: Video: Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 dyno run goes boom in spectacular fashion

LOL

And if I owned a BMW?  A Porsche?  a VW GTI?  Or a Ferrari?  Would it still be hypocrisy to state the stang is in general a dog on a road course?

Because I'd rather have any of those other cars on a race course, and if a Vette was in the mix, and I didn't want to point anyone by, make it a Z06 with ZR1 brakes...  And I can state pretty confidently anything shy of a full race car is going to have a hell of a time finding me.  No one would put money on your Mustang. 

I'm not a marquee guy, I like a car that's fun to drive first and a pretty face second...  A mustang has never had either for me :)  For the money I'd rather have a Miata (or my GTI for that matter).

Mike

On 12/6/10 4:48 PM, Michael James wrote:

Aside from the fact that both cars aren't-exactly made from the finest of materials or workmanship, I wouldn't put both machines in the same category.  Each is designed, engineered, and sold to different market segments.  I'm of the opinion that the only Sports Car ever made by the Ford Motor Company was the GT-40, its latest variant, and that's it.  Everything else is just a family-hauling, mass-produced grocery-getter with a big engine.  Nothing wrong with that.....

 

M

--- On Mon, 12/6/10, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fw: Video: Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 dyno run goes boom in spectacular fashion
To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 3:45 PM

As a Vette owner, you're stepping on dangerous , perhaps "hypocritical" territory Mike....

Just saying...

;-)

FG

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

LOL

No seriously I have yet to be on track with a fast Mustang...  race prepped or otherwise.  Not many in the instructors groups anyhow, but even students groups they are few and far between.  Honestly the ones I have seen have not been spectacular in either their lap times or their reliability.  There was a guy with a tricked out orange Cobra R, and it was fast until he dumped his dry-sump's contents at the exit of Wagon wheel... 

Also I don't pay much attention to what they do in SCCA but I understand they are pretty dominant in their class...  That said, I am sure there are some good ones.  The November Automobile mag has a section on Mustang racing, I think its like 2 pages long and covered the new Boss 302R?  It also has the ten best Mustangs of all time...  An 84 Mustang SVO?  Honestly some of those cars are just dogs...  Solid rear axles belong on an oval :)  Probably why Ford has one in their logo as a reminder...

BR,
Mike

(And yes I am wearing my Nomex shorts today)

On 12/5/2010 10:31 AM, LS wrotes:

FG, Mike's been around for a while and done track events...he's messin' around!

Mustangs have a pretty ridiculous record in road course racing, so there's not much "knowledge" we're going to uncover on their abilities here. That's why we have our local public library and Google!

Just a tidbit since I'm on the brink of a full road course build on the '66 GT350. A local friend runs SVRA events, mostly along the east coast, in a '66 GT350. His best lap at Summit Pt is within 0.5 seconds of a professionally track prepped E46 M3 (which tied the GTS3 record at VIR).

Not bad...for a 45 yr old car with drum brakes and leaf springs! So, I guess you could say they're not too shabby on a road course.

LS

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From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 11:19:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fw: Video: Ford Shelby Mustang GT500 dyno run goes boom in spectacular fashion

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Mike, tough to hear the comments from someone who's never owned one setup for the road course correct?

They're excellent track cars and are ***stupendously*** reliable just like your Vette. The drivetrains are 100% bulletproof if maintained properly and not abused. Nothing ever breaks. Who knows what was going on with one in the video...judging from the visible mods, it was prob well over 600rwhp.

I know, I have three now and I've had four that I have religiously and surgically maintained and also totally thrashed on the road courses, ax events, road rallies, etc.

The 97 Cobra track car I have now, which is suprisingly stock, is *beautiful* on the track. Perfect 4 wheel drifts, ridiculous turn in, incredibly balanced. The brakes (Cobra R front Brembos) are among the best I've felt on any car.

"Never bring a kids toy to a grownup's track :)"

Hilarious...if a properly setup Mustang is not turning fast laps at a track, it's the driver's problem not the car.

LS

Mike,

As much as I'd like to share your GM bias here (hehe), I believe LS is right here...

Plus our buddy Nick had a late '80s /early '90s stang that he tracked quite a bit and did well with.

FG

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