Ferrari Mailing List: Re: F1

[l02turner (l02turner]

donât forget what Audi did with Diesels at Lemans a few years ago â true, the engine music was terrible â but they managed to dominate the gas powered cars.  I assume diesels are banned in F1?

 

LarryT

 

From: E M

Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:32 PM

To: Larry Turner

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1

 

On 11 December 2010 15:16, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

"Turbos are a lazy solution to not designing an engine properly. It just adds weight, heat and complexity."

I don't think Turbos could be considered a lazy solution, just an affordable, tried and proven solution.  Regulating bodies limited the displacement.  So to make more power, a turbo or blower is a way to get more air into an engine.  Well proven in aviation.  Rather than spending a billion dollars reinventing the engine, they stuck a proven technology onto an engine for $100 million instead.  End of the day, F1 is every bit as much a business as are BMW or MB road cars. 

Even for the cutting edge stuff, F1 is more about creative application of existing technologies than invention.  What has F1 really developed that hasn't existed in other areas?  Carbon breaks...aircraft.  Carbon structures...aerospace.  Paddle shifters...Porsche in GTP cars, and the idea of quicker shifting trans and preselecting a gear and hitting a button has been with us for half a century or more.  Turbos... airplanes from the 20s. 

There's really very little new in the world, but if you can repackage it, you can probably pull it off and sell it as cutting edge and new.

As someone else said, F1 is a formula for building race cars.  The idea that there is some meaningful trickle down effect to road cars ended a long time ago.  If cutting edge and innovation are really you thing, forget F1, get into aviation.  That's where the cutting edge technology, and money to make it happen is.

Ed
911SC

 

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From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>

To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>

Sent: Sat, December 11, 2010 12:30:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1

It's nothing cutting edge, it's all pretty old stuff.  Not a bad way to stuff a lot of air into a small space though, and it worked like a charm when bolted to piston plane engines flying in thin air way back when.

The only reasoning I can see behind wanting to use it in F1, is for as I understand it, some emission advantages to using turbos, so it might be political in that it makes F1 look more green.  Witness all the turbos being added to the latest BMWs, and the Mercedes 550 will become a 500 with turbos, and I think the naturally aspirated 6.3 will become a 5.5 with twin turbos.  All will make the same or better power, using less gas and fewer emissions.  Does it really made a difference with race cars.  I think it's just trying to be PC.  I mean, even during times 15-20 years ago, when fuel during a race was limited to 200 litres or something, everyone was pretty much running their own "zip fuels", costing about $100 per litre!  Work it out, when the cars burned 4 litres a lap! lol.  But everyone bought the 200 litre limit as F1 doing their part to reduce fuel use.  Yeah, ok.

Personally, I like to bore bigger holes in engines to make them more powerful.  Who was it how said, "Big bores came about as the result of us trying to be more environmentally friendly.  We bored them out, and removed all the unnecessary material from inside the engines, thereby saving weight."  Or words to that effect.  hee hee

Ed
911SC

On 10 December 2010 23:31, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

That's the fallacy...forced induction is NOT cutting edge technology.

That's 70s thinking at best...it's old school because back then the only way to make a small (external) dimension engine make power was to add a turbo or supercharger.

Nowadays, we have large displacement engines that are smaller physically than the small displacement engines of the past making more power and with better fuel economy.

This is BS...if the manufacturers are going to develop new engines, why not make it a 21st century challenge and make the power and economy without the old crutch of turbos.

There are ways to do it.

LS

 

 

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From: Thomas Reynolds <kjtar [at] att.net>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 8:14:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1

I think it's a good move, Mike.  Like it or not, the days of mega petro engines are coming to an end, and the F1 folks apparently feel that they should be the racing formula that is on the cutting edge of new engine technology.  I would think the engines would be lighter weight, giving the designers more room to play around with weight/balance/aero packages.  All the best,

Tom

--- On Fri, 12/10/10, Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mike Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] F1
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] att.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday, December 10, 2010, 9:31 PM

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/12/10/officially-official-formula-one-goes-with-1-6-litre-four-cylind/

All I have to say is...

What

The

F*ck?

Jesus why don't they just grab some power trains from the Toyota Prius
assembly line and get the whole thing over with?


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