Yeah,
You have the scream of the Ferrari's that makes the hair on the back
of your neck stand up and Porsche's wicked exhaust that curls the
already curly hair, the thunder of the Corvettes that rattles your
fillings, then the banshee scream of the Porsche RS Spyders, then
the whooshing silence of the Audi's... Really fast, but incredibly
boring when you don't feel the car go by in your sneakers, or your
diaphragm.
On 12/14/2010 3:25 PM, E M wrote:
It's not that they sounded so much terrible (well
kinds of), as you just couldn't hear them!!
I've stood on the straights at Mosport during Petite LeMans
races. Vettes and Ferraris would go screaming by....zoom,
whoosh...the the Audis........... Oh, they were moving quick, but
super quiet.
Ed
911SC
On 14 December 2010 15:07, <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
wrote:
don’t forget what Audi did with Diesels at Lemans a
few years ago – true, the engine music was terrible –
but they managed to dominate the gas powered cars. I
assume diesels are banned in F1?
LarryT
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:32
PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] F1
On 11 December 2010
15:16, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Turbos are a lazy solution to not designing an
engine properly. It just adds weight, heat and
complexity."
I don't think Turbos could be considered a lazy
solution, just an affordable, tried and proven
solution. Regulating bodies limited the
displacement. So to make more power, a turbo or
blower is a way to get more air into an engine.
Well proven in aviation. Rather than spending a
billion dollars reinventing the engine, they
stuck a proven technology onto an engine for
$100 million instead. End of the day, F1 is
every bit as much a business as are BMW or MB
road cars.
Even for the cutting edge stuff, F1 is more
about creative application of existing
technologies than invention. What has F1 really
developed that hasn't existed in other areas?
Carbon breaks...aircraft. Carbon
structures...aerospace. Paddle
shifters...Porsche in GTP cars, and the idea of
quicker shifting trans and preselecting a gear
and hitting a button has been with us for half a
century or more. Turbos... airplanes from the
20s.
There's really very little new in the world, but
if you can repackage it, you can probably pull
it off and sell it as cutting edge and new.
As someone else said, F1 is a formula for
building race cars. The idea that there is some
meaningful trickle down effect to road cars
ended a long time ago. If cutting edge and
innovation are really you thing, forget F1, get
into aviation. That's where the cutting edge
technology, and money to make it happen is.
Ed
911SC
Sent:
Sat, December 11, 2010 12:30:59 AM
Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] F1
It's nothing cutting edge, it's
all pretty old stuff. Not a bad
way to stuff a lot of air into a
small space though, and it worked
like a charm when bolted to piston
plane engines flying in thin air
way back when.
The only reasoning I can see
behind wanting to use it in F1, is
for as I understand it, some
emission advantages to using
turbos, so it might be political
in that it makes F1 look more
green. Witness all the turbos
being added to the latest BMWs,
and the Mercedes 550 will become a
500 with turbos, and I think the
naturally aspirated 6.3 will
become a 5.5 with twin turbos.
All will make the same or better
power, using less gas and fewer
emissions. Does it really made a
difference with race cars. I
think it's just trying to be PC.
I mean, even during times 15-20
years ago, when fuel during a race
was limited to 200 litres or
something, everyone was pretty
much running their own "zip
fuels", costing about $100 per
litre! Work it out, when the cars
burned 4 litres a lap! lol. But
everyone bought the 200 litre
limit as F1 doing their part to
reduce fuel use. Yeah, ok.
Personally, I like to bore bigger
holes in engines to make them more
powerful. Who was it how said,
"Big bores came about as the
result of us trying to be more
environmentally friendly. We
bored them out, and removed all
the unnecessary material from
inside the engines, thereby saving
weight." Or words to that
effect. hee hee
Ed
911SC
On 10
December 2010 23:31, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
wrote:
That's
the fallacy...forced
induction is NOT cutting
edge technology.
That's 70s thinking at
best...it's old school
because back then the only
way to make a small
(external) dimension
engine make power was to
add a turbo or
supercharger.
Nowadays, we have large
displacement engines that
are smaller physically
than the small
displacement engines of
the past making more power
and with better fuel
economy.
This is BS...if the
manufacturers are going to
develop new engines, why
not make it a 21st century
challenge and make the
power and economy without
the old crutch of turbos.
There are ways to do it.
LS
From:
Thomas Reynolds <kjtar [at] att.net>
To:
LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc:
The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent:
Fri, December 10,
2010 8:14:53 PM
Subject:
Re: [Ferrari] F1
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I think
it's a good
move, Mike.
Like it or
not, the days
of mega petro
engines are
coming to an
end, and the
F1 folks
apparently
feel that they
should be the
racing formula
that is on the
cutting edge
of new engine
technology. I
would think
the engines
would be
lighter
weight, giving
the designers
more room to
play around
with
weight/balance/aero
packages. All
the best,
From: Mike
Fleischer <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
Subject:
[Ferrari] F1
To: "Tom
Reynolds" <kjtar [at] att.net>
Cc: "The
FerrariList"
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Friday,
December 10,
2010, 9:31 PM
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