Whaddya expect from a guy with an e-mail address of steve [at] cheatcodes.com ??
Just kidding there Cocoa Puffs! ![Open-mouth smile]( "Open-mouth smile")
From: JAshburne [at] aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:30:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classiche CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
Steve:
That's a good plan but it also highlights the biggest weakness of the
Classiche certificate IMO. An owner can get a car certified through
Classiche and then make changes to it the very next day. If those changes
can be made, what value is the certificate even if those changes could be
reversed?
I know that you plan to someday put it all back to the configuration that
it was in when it was Classiched, but how many other owners would be so
scrupulous?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't have made the mods that you did, quite
the contrary. I'm just saying that I think that the Classiche certificate
has a very limited value proposition in my opinion and it does nothing
whatsoever to circumvent an unscrupulous seller hoping to game the system.
John
In a message dated 10/25/2011 12:22:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
steve [at] stevejenkins.com writes:
Good
question. I have no plans to ever sell the car. But I do have all the original
parts, and no changes have (or will be) made to the car that can’t be reversed
back to stock with some effort, so when I die, I want my estate to get max
possible value for it. At that point, the Classiche cert might be worth
something.
I
have no guarantee that the factory will continue the Classiche program. They
could stop doing it, or they could double the prices in 10 years, or make the
requirements more strict. No way of knowing. So I want to get it, put it in my
safe, and forget about it until I’m dead. J
SJ
From: Phil Tegtmeier
[mailto:philville [at] windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011
5:21 PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: Phil Tegtmeier; The
FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari]
Classiche
On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Steve Jenkins wrote:
I’m considering
putting all the original pieces back on my F40 (exhaust, cats, steeing
wheel, seats, seat belts, brakes, wheels), getting a Classiche
certification, and then putting the improvements back on… and maybe more.
J
From: George P. [mailto:ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject: [Ferrari] Classiche
Just to add a couple of lira to the discussion... I
have an acquaintance here (and since it's up to them, not me, to acknowledge
this publicly, I'm going to be deliberately vague) with a vintage Ferrari
racer.
Said racer suffered a thrown rod, so the engine was
rebuilt. Said racer suffered another thrown rod, so the engine was
rebuilt again, but with more investigation as to the cause. Cause was
determined to be an oil tank which did not deliver sufficient quantities of
oil to the engine when under high stress. So, oil tank was redesigned,
built, and installed. Engine runs great.
But! When car was submitted for Classiche
certification, the oil tank was deemed "inappropriate" and forced to change
back to original style. Even though said oil tank was crap and
resulted in two engine failures. [Speaking only for myself here, I
find it terribly hard to believe that Ferrari/Classiche actually *KNEW* what
style/design of oil tank was originally installed in that car, all those
years ago! But that's just me....]
It was said earlier that some changes are allowed by
Classiche. I won't argue this point, but will also say "perhaps not
always...." Or maybe it just depends on who you are or how deep your
pockets are.
[p.s. - SteveJ - Well
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