Hmmm ... makes me wonder if we are even
communicating with the "Real" SteveJ! Maybe we should hire a PI
and have him certified!
LOL
Brian
On 10/25/11 11:35 AM, Brian Keegan wrote:
Whaddya expect from a guy with an e-mail address of
steve [at] cheatcodes.com ??
Just kidding there Cocoa Puffs! ![Open-mouth smile]( "Open-mouth smile")
From: JAshburne [at] aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 12:30:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classiche
CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com
Steve:
That's a good plan but it also highlights the
biggest weakness of the Classiche certificate IMO. An
owner can get a car certified through Classiche and
then make changes to it the very next day. If those
changes can be made, what value is the certificate
even if those changes could be reversed?
I know that you plan to someday put it all back to
the configuration that it was in when it was
Classiched, but how many other owners would be so
scrupulous?
I'm not saying that you shouldn't have made the
mods that you did, quite the contrary. I'm just
saying that I think that the Classiche certificate has
a very limited value proposition in my opinion and it
does nothing whatsoever to circumvent an unscrupulous
seller hoping to game the system.
John
Good
question. I have no plans to ever sell the
car. But I do have all the original parts, and
no changes have (or will be) made to the car
that can’t be reversed back to stock with some
effort, so when I die, I want my estate to get
max possible value for it. At that point, the
Classiche cert might be worth something.
I
have no guarantee that the factory will
continue the Classiche program. They could
stop doing it, or they could double the prices
in 10 years, or make the requirements more
strict. No way of knowing. So I want to get
it, put it in my safe, and forget about it
until I’m dead. J
SJ
From: Phil Tegtmeier
[mailto:philville [at] windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:21
PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: Phil Tegtmeier; The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classiche
On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:24
PM, Steve Jenkins wrote:
I’m
considering putting all the original
pieces back on my F40 (exhaust, cats,
steeing wheel, seats, seat belts, brakes,
wheels), getting a Classiche
certification, and then putting the
improvements back on… and maybe more. J
Sent: Friday,
October 21, 2011 11:27 AM
Subject:
[Ferrari] Classiche
Just to add a couple
of lira to the discussion... I have an
acquaintance here (and since it's up to
them, not me, to acknowledge this publicly,
I'm going to be deliberately vague) with a
vintage Ferrari racer.
Said racer suffered a
thrown rod, so the engine was rebuilt. Said
racer suffered another thrown rod, so the
engine was rebuilt again, but with more
investigation as to the cause. Cause was
determined to be an oil tank which did not
deliver sufficient quantities of oil to the
engine when under high stress. So, oil tank
was redesigned, built, and installed.
Engine runs great.
But! When car was
submitted for Classiche certification, the
oil tank was deemed "inappropriate" and
forced to change back to original style.
Even though said oil tank was crap and
resulted in two engine failures. [Speaking
only for myself here, I find it terribly
hard to believe that Ferrari/Classiche
actually *KNEW* what style/design of oil
tank was originally installed in that car,
all those years ago! But that's just
me....]
It was said earlier
that some changes are allowed by Classiche.
I won't argue this point, but will also say
"perhaps not always...." Or maybe it just
depends on who you are or how deep your
pockets are.
[p.s. - SteveJ - Well
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