Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Classiche

[Brian E. Buxton (BrianBuxton]

This answers my question too!  Although you could just buy a Ferrari with the CCert and get the binder with it.  Like a Daytona Spyder!

B



On 10/25/11 11:46 AM, Steve Jenkins wrote:

I think you’re absolutely right, John. But I really want that Schedoni binder it comes in. J

 

SteveJ

 

From: JAshburne [at] aol.com [mailto:JAshburne [at] aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:31 AM
To: steve [at] stevejenkins.com
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classiche

 

Steve:

 

That's a good plan but it also highlights the biggest weakness of the Classiche certificate IMO.  An owner can get a car certified through Classiche and then make changes to it the very next day.  If those changes can be made, what value is the certificate even if those changes could be reversed?

 

I know that you plan to someday put it all back to the configuration that it was in when it was Classiched, but how many other owners would be so scrupulous?

 

I'm not saying that you shouldn't have made the mods that you did, quite the contrary.  I'm just saying that I think that the Classiche certificate has a very limited value proposition in my opinion and it does nothing whatsoever to circumvent an unscrupulous seller hoping to game the system.

 

John

 

 

In a message dated 10/25/2011 12:22:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, steve [at] stevejenkins.com writes:

Good question. I have no plans to ever sell the car. But I do have all the original parts, and no changes have (or will be) made to the car that can’t be reversed back to stock with some effort, so when I die, I want my estate to get max possible value for it. At that point, the Classiche cert might be worth something.

 

I have no guarantee that the factory will continue the Classiche program. They could stop doing it, or they could double the prices in 10 years, or make the requirements more strict. No way of knowing. So I want to get it, put it in my safe, and forget about it until I’m dead. J

 

SJ

 

From: Phil Tegtmeier [mailto:philville [at] windstream.net]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 5:21 PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: Phil Tegtmeier; The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Classiche

 

Why?

Phil

On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Steve Jenkins wrote:

 

I’m considering putting all the original pieces back on my F40 (exhaust, cats, steeing wheel, seats, seat belts, brakes, wheels), getting a Classiche certification, and then putting the improvements back on… and maybe more. J

 

 

 

SJ

 

 

 

From: George P. [mailto:ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com]

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 11:27 AM

To: Steve Jenkins

Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: [Ferrari] Classiche

 

All,

 

Just to add a couple of lira to the discussion...  I have an acquaintance here (and since it's up to them, not me, to acknowledge this publicly, I'm going to be deliberately vague) with a vintage Ferrari racer.

 

Said racer suffered a thrown rod, so the engine was rebuilt.  Said racer suffered another thrown rod, so the engine was rebuilt again, but with more investigation as to the cause.  Cause was determined to be an oil tank which did not deliver sufficient quantities of oil to the engine when under high stress.  So, oil tank was redesigned, built, and installed.  Engine runs great.

 

But!  When car was submitted for Classiche certification, the oil tank was deemed "inappropriate" and forced to change back to original style.  Even though said oil tank was crap and resulted in two engine failures.  [Speaking only for myself here, I find it terribly hard to believe that Ferrari/Classiche actually *KNEW* what style/design of oil tank was originally installed in that car, all those years ago!  But that's just me....]

 

It was said earlier that some changes are allowed by Classiche.  I won't argue this point, but will also say "perhaps not always...."  Or maybe it just depends on who you are or how deep your pockets are. 

 

gp

 

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