Thanks Paul for that explanation You are very knowledgable on the subject And you are correct Clyde
Sent from my iPhone Define âassault rifleââ Uhâ Yeah. Thatâs the problem. The term assault rifle gets bandied around a lot. Politically, the term is a loaded nonsense one that was created back during the Clinton years. It was one of those tricks where you name legislation something catchy, like PATRIOT Act. (another law rammed through while emotions were high and nobody was thinking, go figure). To gun experts, an assault rifle is a very specific type of weapon which originated (for the most part) in the 1940s. It is a magazine fed, select fire (meaning capable of full auto), intermediate cartridge (as in, actually not that powerful, but Iâll come back to that later) infantry weapon. The thing is, real assault rifles in the US have been heavily regulated since before they were invented. The thing that the media and politicians like to refer to as assault rifles is basically a catch all term for any gun which looks scary. I had somebody get all mad at me for pointing this out, because they said that the term had entered common usage. Okayâ If youâre going to legislate it, DEFINE IT. And then comes up that pesky problem. The US banned assault rifles once before for a decade and the law did absolutely nothing. I mean, it was totally, literally pointless. The special commission to study it said that it accomplished absolutely nothing. (except tick a bunch of Americans off, and as a result we bought a TON more guns) And the reason was that since assault weapon is a nonsense term, they just came up with a list of arbitrary features which made a gun into an assault weapon. Problem was, none of these features actually made the gun functionally any different or somehow more lethal or better from any other run of the mill firearm. Most of the criteria were so silly that they became a huge joke to gun owners, except of course, for that part where many law abiding citizens accidentally became instant felons because one of their guns had some cosmetic feature which was now illegal. One of the criteria was that it was semi-automatic. See above. Hard to ban the single most common and readily available type of gun in the world. (unless you believe in confiscation, but Iâll get to that). Then what if it takes a detachable magazine! Thatâs got to be an Evil Feature. And yes, we really did call the Evil Features. Iâll talk about magazines below, but once again, it is pretty hard to ban something that common unless you want to go on a confiscatory national suicide mission. For example, flash hiders sound dangerous. Letâs say having a flash hider makes a gun an assault weapon. So flash hiders became an evil feature. Problem is flash hiders donât do much. They screw onto the end of your muzzle and divert the flash off to the side instead of straight up so it isnât as annoying when you shoot. It doesnât actually hide the flash from anybody else. EVIL. Barrel shrouds were listed. Barrel shrouds are basically useless, cosmetic pieces of metal that go over the barrel so you donât accidentally touch it and burn your hand. But they became an instantaneous felony too. Collapsible stocks make it so you can adjust your rifle to different size shooters, that way a tall guy and his short wife can shoot the same gun. Nope. EVIL FEATURE! It has been a running joke in the gun community ever since the ban passed. When Carolyn McCarthy was asked by a reporter what a barrel shroud was, she replied âI think it is the shoulder thing which goes up.â Oh good. Iâm glad that thousands of law abiding Americans unwittingly committed felonies because they had a cosmetic piece of sheet metal on their barrel, which has no bearing whatsoever on crime, but could possibly be a shoulder thing which goes up. Now are you starting to see why âassault weaponsâ is a pointless term? They arenât functionally any more powerful or deadly than any normal gun. In fact the cartridges they normally fire are far less powerful than your average deer hunting rifle. Donât worry though, because the same people who fling around the term assault weapons also think of scoped deer rifles as âhigh powered sniper gunsâ. Basically, what you are thinking of as assault weapons arenât special.
Lets go with the NRA definition
Ok
Or if you want any type of military type weapon that has been civilianized
Your call
Clyde
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On Dec 22, 2012, at 5:51 PM, "rtpetrick" <rtpetrick [at] comcast.net> wrote:
Clyde,
Please define "Assault Weapon".
Regards
Feliz Navidad
Prospero Ano y Felicidad
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Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?
Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
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A weapon would have to be pretty light to not be usable to assault someone
with it.
On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "cjromero" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
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From: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
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I have no problems with any weapons. I have a problem with idiots owning
them. Now how do we keep psychos from getting them. And no, I don't think
taking them away from everyone is an acceptable answer.
Rick
On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "cjromero" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?
Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
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Rick ask the rhetorical question - "Now how do we keep psychos from
getting them[weapons]?"
Simplistic answer (which - for our radio land audience does NOT mean really
simple) is get rid of ACLU and understand the larger our population becomes
the larger the nutzo population becomes.
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I have no problems with any weapons. I have a problem with idiots owning
them. Now how do we keep psychos from getting them. And no, I don't think
taking them away from everyone is an acceptable answer.
Rick
On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:58 PM, "cjromero" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?
Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
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From: cjromero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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So you should be able to buy an
Apache Helicopter ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 22, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
I have no problems with any weapons. I have a problem with idiots owning
them. Now how do we keep psychos from getting them. And no, I don't think
taking them away from everyone is an acceptable answer.
Rick
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Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
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Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
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Friends,
I think guns are for p****** here is how I settle my disputes! :-P And you
would be surprised at how many dispute erupt when you show up in a 100AD
period red miniskirt! Plus the associated armour scratches the leather in
the ferrari so you have to take the charriot. You have to get a friend hold
the chariot while you hook up the horses, did you know this was before they
had brakes! Ask Ben Hur its a real pain in the ass!!!
Clyde aren't you one of the the armed pilots? After the Glock debate can we
get back to little ricky!
Robert W. Garven Jr.
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Ferrari
On Dec 22, 2012, at 1:58 PM, cjromero wrote:
Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?
Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
Clyde Romero
just the right amount of wrong!
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