Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Clyde:Let the debate begin

[rtpetrick (rtpetrick]

How can you be sure that some people, at least, don't buy cars to use as
weapons?......drunk or sober.
Not all weapons are made specifically to kill people, nor do all people buy
weapons specifically to kill people, even though some may. 

If I remember correctly, you live in Atlanta. Do you own a hand gun? A
semi-auto hand gun? Why? Could it be..........................
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/georgia/atlanta.html

Assault Rifles (selective triggers to full auto) are military weapons
specifically designed to kill people as efficiently as possible. They are
heavily regulated, difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain, and yet
somehow, the bad guys seem to have few problems obtaining them.

Assault Weapons, like civilianized AR-15s, are not designed specifically to
kill people, although they certainly can be used to do so. To say that they
are designed specifically to kill people would then say that a Remington
7400 (Deer rifle that doesn't look like a black rifle, but performs in the
same way) is also designed to kill people, since it is a clip fed,
semi-automatic, center-fire rifle, offered in military calibers....30.06 and
.308.   

What I am saying is that it depends on the user, not the tool. The matter is
complex. Dr. Krauthammer talks about three variables: The weapon, the
shooter, and the culture..........
But the over-riding issue about gun control is that it is about government
expanding its control of, and its power over, its citizens. 
After they seized power, what common action linked Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol
Pot, Idi Amin, Castro, and Qaddafi together.......one of the first executive
actions they took against their countrymen??????? Are we doomed not to learn
from history?????


If you want a good read, albeit a long one, suggest you read......
 http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/


Regards
Feliz Navidad 
Prospero Ano y Felicidad


-----Original Message-----
From: cjromero [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:29 PM
To: rtpetrick
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Clyde:Let the debate begin

Ok
I get your point but you don't buy a car Any car to go out and assault
people unless your drunk Bottom line is that those weapons are made for just
that Cars are not Clyde 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2012, at 12:44 PM, "rtpetrick" <rtpetrick [at] comcast.net> wrote:

> Clyde,
> Please consider:
> 
> http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx
>> From the NRA-ILA glossary..
> 
> ASSAULT RIFLE
> By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a 
> cartridge of intermediate power. If applied to any semi-automatic 
> firearm regardless of its cosmetic similarity to a true assault rifle, the
term is incorrect.
> ASSAULT WEAPON
> Any weapon used in an assault (see WEAPON).
> WEAPON
> Webster defines it as "an instrument of offensive or defensive 
> combat." Thus an automobile, baseball bat, bottle, chair, firearm, 
> fist, pen knife or shovel is a "weapon," if so used.
> 
> You suggest that we use the NRA definition of assault weapon, which is
O.K.
> with me. 
> 
> And so to your question: Who on the list still thinks we need assault 
> weapons? If we use the NRA definition of Assault Weapon, then by 
> definition, a Ferrari could be considered an assault weapon, if it is 
> used as an instrument of offensive or defensive combat. Then the 
> question could be changed to: Who on the list still thinks we need 
> Ferraris? Conversely, if a civilized AR-15 is used for target 
> shooting, and not as an instrument of offensive or defensive combat, 
> then by definition, it must NOT be an assault weapon.
> 
> To me, the issue is not about need.....it is about rights.....it is 
> about political power and therefore votes.....it is about increasing 
> government control......and......it is about loss of individual liberty.
> 
> An armed law-abiding person is a CITIZEN! A disarmed law-abiding 
> person is a SUBJECT!
> For those who understand this distinction, no explanation is 
> necessary. For those who do not understand this distinction, no
explanation is possible.
> 
> Regards
> Feliz Navidad
> Prospero Ano y Felicidad
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjromero [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:18 PM
> To: rtpetrick
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Clyde:Let the debate begin
> 
> Lets go with the NRA definition
> Ok
> 
> Or if you want any type of military type weapon that has been 
> civilianized
> 
> Your call
> 
> Clyde
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 22, 2012, at 5:51 PM, "rtpetrick" <rtpetrick [at] comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Clyde,
>> Please define "Assault Weapon".
>> 
>> Regards
>> Feliz Navidad
>> Prospero Ano y Felicidad
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Anderson)  5. Re: let the debate begin (cjromero)  6. Re: let the 
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>> From: "cjromero" <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: [Ferrari] let the debate begin
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>> Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?
>> 
>> And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Clyde Romero
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> just the right amount of wrong!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "SCARS ARE TATTOOS WITH BETTER STORIES"
> 
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