Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Clyde:Let the debate begin

[Larry T (l02turner]

You make some great points!  Speaking of Atlanta and Ga in general, there's a small town in Ga that requires every household to have a gun.  Thus is in response to the law in Morton grove Ill which banned guns.  Here's some interesting stats about those 2 towns:

Here's the details:
In  March 1982, 30 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a
handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance
requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite
dire predictions of “Wild West” showdowns and increased violence and
accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a
victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of
the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly
lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but
a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national
average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year
2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has
skyrocketed to 28,189.


By comparison, the population of Morton Grove, the first city in Illinois
to adopt a gun ban for anyone other than police officers, has actually
dropped slightly and stands at 22,202, according to 2005 statistics. More
significantly, perhaps, the city’s crime rate increased by 15.7 percent
immediately after the gun ban, even though the overall crime rate in Cook County
rose only 3 percent. Today, by comparison, the township’s crime rate stands at
2,268 per 100,000.

This was not what some predicted.

In a column titled “Gun Town USA,” Art Buchwald suggested Kennesaw would
soon become a place where routine disagreements between neighbors would be
settled in shootouts. The Washington Post mocked Kennesaw as “the brave
little city … soon to be pistol-packing capital of the world.” Phil Donahue
invited the mayor on his show.

Reuters, the European news service, today revisited the Kennesaw
controversy following the Virginia Tech Massacre.

Police Lt. Craig Graydon said: “When the Kennesaw law was passed in 1982
there was a substantial drop in crime … and we have maintained a really low
crime rate since then. We are sure it is one of the lowest (crime) towns in
the metro area.” Kennesaw is just north of Atlanta.

The Reuters story went on to report: “Since the Virginia Tech shootings,
some conservative U.S. talk show hosts have rejected attempts to link the
massacre to the availability of guns, arguing that had students been allowed
to carry weapons on campus someone might have been able to shoot the killer.”

Virginia Tech, like many of the nation’s schools and college campuses, is a
so-called “gun-free zone,” which Second Amendment supporters say invites
gun violence – especially from disturbed individuals seeking to kill as
many victims as possible.

Cho Seung-Hui murdered 32 and wounded another 15 before turning his gun on
himself.

On 12/23/2012 2:30 PM, rtpetrick wrote:

How can you be sure that some people, at least, don't buy cars to use as
weapons?......drunk or sober.
Not all weapons are made specifically to kill people, nor do all people buy
weapons specifically to kill people, even though some may. 

If I remember correctly, you live in Atlanta. Do you own a hand gun? A
semi-auto hand gun? Why? Could it be..........................
http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/georgia/atlanta.html

Assault Rifles (selective triggers to full auto) are military weapons
specifically designed to kill people as efficiently as possible. They are
heavily regulated, difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain, and yet
somehow, the bad guys seem to have few problems obtaining them.

Assault Weapons, like civilianized AR-15s, are not designed specifically to
kill people, although they certainly can be used to do so. To say that they
are designed specifically to kill people would then say that a Remington
7400 (Deer rifle that doesn't look like a black rifle, but performs in the
same way) is also designed to kill people, since it is a clip fed,
semi-automatic, center-fire rifle, offered in military calibers....30.06 and
.308.   

What I am saying is that it depends on the user, not the tool. The matter is
complex. Dr. Krauthammer talks about three variables: The weapon, the
shooter, and the culture..........
But the over-riding issue about gun control is that it is about government
expanding its control of, and its power over, its citizens. 
After they seized power, what common action linked Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol
Pot, Idi Amin, Castro, and Qaddafi together.......one of the first executive
actions they took against their countrymen??????? Are we doomed not to learn
from history?????


If you want a good read, albeit a long one, suggest you read......
 http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/


Regards
Feliz Navidad 
Prospero Ano y Felicidad


-----Original Message-----
From: cjromero [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:29 PM
To: rtpetrick
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Clyde:Let the debate begin

Ok
I get your point but you don't buy a car Any car to go out and assault
people unless your drunk Bottom line is that those weapons are made for just
that Cars are not Clyde 

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On Dec 23, 2012, at 12:44 PM, "rtpetrick" <rtpetrick [at] comcast.net> wrote:

Clyde,
Please consider:

http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx

From the NRA-ILA glossary..

ASSAULT RIFLE
By U.S. Army definition, a selective-fire rifle chambered for a 
cartridge of intermediate power. If applied to any semi-automatic 
firearm regardless of its cosmetic similarity to a true assault rifle, the

term is incorrect.

ASSAULT WEAPON
Any weapon used in an assault (see WEAPON).
WEAPON
Webster defines it as "an instrument of offensive or defensive 
combat." Thus an automobile, baseball bat, bottle, chair, firearm, 
fist, pen knife or shovel is a "weapon," if so used.

You suggest that we use the NRA definition of assault weapon, which is

O.K.

with me. 

And so to your question: Who on the list still thinks we need assault 
weapons? If we use the NRA definition of Assault Weapon, then by 
definition, a Ferrari could be considered an assault weapon, if it is 
used as an instrument of offensive or defensive combat. Then the 
question could be changed to: Who on the list still thinks we need 
Ferraris? Conversely, if a civilized AR-15 is used for target 
shooting, and not as an instrument of offensive or defensive combat, 
then by definition, it must NOT be an assault weapon.

To me, the issue is not about need.....it is about rights.....it is 
about political power and therefore votes.....it is about increasing 
government control......and......it is about loss of individual liberty.

An armed law-abiding person is a CITIZEN! A disarmed law-abiding 
person is a SUBJECT!
For those who understand this distinction, no explanation is 
necessary. For those who do not understand this distinction, no

explanation is possible.

Regards
Feliz Navidad
Prospero Ano y Felicidad


-----Original Message-----
From: cjromero [mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:18 PM
To: rtpetrick
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Clyde:Let the debate begin

Lets go with the NRA definition
Ok

Or if you want any type of military type weapon that has been 
civilianized

Your call

Clyde

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2012, at 5:51 PM, "rtpetrick" <rtpetrick [at] comcast.net> wrote:

Clyde,
Please define "Assault Weapon".

Regards
Feliz Navidad
Prospero Ano y Felicidad

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Ok so who on the list still thinks we need to have assault weapons?

And for those who hunt can you hunt at night?



Standby I am going BURNERS ANGELS 50!!



Clyde Romero



just the right amount of wrong!



"SCARS ARE TATTOOS WITH BETTER STORIES"

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