Re: 308GT4, was something...
From: francis newman (francisfntn.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 05:15:27 -0800 (PST)
UK Clyde

You met me at Silverstone once - remember?

Francis

On 19 Feb 2014, at 22:03, Clyde Romero wrote:

> What they ask for and what they get are two different questions
> I typically take 25% off the asking price
> No matter what
> Where are you in Europe?
> 
> 
> Clyde Romero
> 
> In Victory you deserve Champagne
> In Defeat You Need It!
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> On Feb 19, 2014, at 4:49 PM, francis newman <francis [at] fntn.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Well Clyde
>> 
>> I have seen documentary proof that a dealer has offered US$35K for the car I 
>> am looking at. There are two on offer from dealers at US$62K and another one 
>> which I know is a bit of a dog and which is on offer for US$40K  and for 
>> which I know the owner was given US$32K on a trade in for a 348.
>> 
>> Of course I take the offer prices with a pinch of salt but they are far 
>> removed from what you are suggesting.
>> 
>> Of course exchange rates, the relative lack of performance of US spec cars 
>> etc do make a difference so it's not comparing eggs with eggs. But still....
>> 
>> Francis
>> 
>> PS. How much are 308s and 328s fetching over there?
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 Feb 2014, at 20:54, clyde romero wrote:
>> 
>>> OK SO WHATS the going price for this over there?
>>> Because here that’s the price
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In victory you deserve Champagne
>>> In defeat you need it!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Scars are tattoos with better stories!
>>> 
>>> Clyde Romero
>>> Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.          
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: francis newman [mailto:francis [at] fntn.co.uk] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 2:14 PM
>>> To: Clyde
>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 308GT4, was something...
>>> 
>>> Hy Clyde
>>> 
>>> Yes - I have already budgeted as you suggest.
>>> 
>>> And you are slightly out of touch with prices in Europe :-)
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Francis
>>> 
>>> On 19 Feb 2014, at 18:51, Clyde Romero wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok
>>>> Great
>>>> Whatever you are going to pay for the car Put away $5k for repairs 
>>>> That's where the smart money is on this car You should not pay over 
>>>> $20 k for it If you do it's your money Remember you are taking about a 
>>>> 35 plus year old car
>>>> 
>>>> Clyde
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>> 
>>>> In Victory you deserve Champagne
>>>> In Defeat You Need It!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:27 PM, francis newman <francis [at] fntn.co.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm very late to the party. Just catching up on some reading as I've been
>>> too busy to keep up with things.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rather an apt discussion as I'm in the process, after all these years, of
>>> buying my first Ferrari - a blue 79 308GT4 (Euro of course - being over
>>> here). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having read what everyone has said, one of the reasons I have gone for
>>> this car is precisely because it DOES have carbs. I don't want a daily
>>> driver. I want something old school with a great sound that I can
>>> occasionally really enjoy. If I want something trouble free that still goes
>>> like stink, but in fact is pretty boring, I get in my 2.8L V6 Turbo GM
>>> Vectra thingy!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have always loved the Bertone shape, even more so now, and I love 
>>>>> it in blue so as long as it all goes through, week after next if all 
>>>>> goes according to plan, I'll be a very happy bunny :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm no mechanic so probably won't be doing much taking things apart in
>>> the engine compartment, but I'm looking forward to giving the car a bit of
>>> TLC. It needs a bit of professional work done on the body, but nothing too
>>> scary or (I hope) expensive.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think I've got a good deal, and certainly over here these cars are
>>> going up in value at a good rate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I'm now 64 and if I don't do it now I never will. And with
>>> interest rates as they are I might as well put some of my pension money into
>>> something that I don't think is going to go down in value, and enjoy it a
>>> bit more than having it sit in a bank account earning not very much.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Francis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 14:43, Clyde Romero wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Clyde says
>>>>>> If you like carbs great
>>>>>> And I don't hate your car
>>>>>> The reason carbs went away is because of fires, emissions, and 
>>>>>> starting problems just to name a few As for styling if you like it 
>>>>>> buy it It wasn't a big hit so Ferrari dropped it Most people want a 
>>>>>> car any car they put a key it in an go If everyone liked carbs we 
>>>>>> would still be watching black and whit TV and flying airliners with
>>> round engines!
>>>>>> That's what Clyde says!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In Victory you deserve Champagne
>>>>>> In Defeat You Need It!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2014, at 9:12 AM, "Doug & Terri" <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nice description FG.  Well done.  I hope you sent cLYdE a 
>>>>>>> personalised  and signed copy.  Ah ah ah
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Only problem I find now with our 308 GTS which is in the 
>>>>>>> restoration process are parts are Ferrari 288 GTO expensive and one 
>>>>>>> would do better looking for replacement rubber parts in a convent 
>>>>>>> in France than we can any place else.  Drat
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Onward
>>>>>>> DOUG
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Fellippe Galletta [mailto:fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 2:58 AM
>>>>>>> To: DOUG
>>>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 308GT4, was something...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I agree that the 308 GT/4 has gotten better with age and is a very cool
>>> car. While it is very, very similar to a 308 GTB, there are enough
>>> differences to make it special in its own way.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It's basically what a 308 would look like if Lamborghini created
>>> it....just look at the Urracco, and the taillights of the Jalpa.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A '73 series I, standard ("euro") spec would be my pick, modded with
>>> 16" QV wheels and modern rubber. I'd also prefer it if it had Dino badges as
>>> opposed to Ferrari. Don't believe you see too many of those around. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This car would be more interesting to me than just about all other 308s
>>> except the carbureted euro GTBs, and maybe even the GTS as well. GTBi/GTSi,
>>> and any 308 with US bumpers is too much for me to handle. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some of the GT4s have the same problem of course. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Carburetors and cars old enough not to need catalytic 
>>>>>>> converters.....life is good. :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FG
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Rick Lindsay
>>> <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Since we're sharing opinions, I'll toss mine in: I think the 308GT4 is
>>> absolutely beautiful. Yes, Bertone's designs are more space-age angular than
>>> Pininfarina's curves, but no less visionary. What I can claim is that I feel
>>> no natural attraction to most Zigato designs, and some I find to be
>>> butt-ugly!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> clYde finds anything with a carburetor to be a firey death trap. That
>>> may play a role in his dislike ofvthe GT4. He hates my 308GTB for that very
>>> reason. But there is nothing on Earth that sounds better than a bank of
>>> Webers.  And I have to admit that my all time favorite auto-music comes from
>>> the six dual choke Webers on a first generation Countach. My 308GTB comes in
>>> second. And I bet Rob's GT4 ties with it for that position.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You know what opinions are like, and mine is no different. Such is
>>> life.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -rick
>>>>>>> 
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