Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol 94, Issue 11

I'll side with Clyde on this one.

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  1. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348 (Clyde
     Romero) (George)
  2. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348 (Clyde
     Romero) (Clyde Romero)
  3. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
     (Fellippe Galletta)
  4. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348 (Clyde Romero)
  5. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348 (Clyde
     Romero) (mysavard [at] videotron.ca)
  6. Re: Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348 (Alexander Ishii)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 07:18:25 -0400
From: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
(Clyde Romero)
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The 348 was in fact the car that almost bankrupt Ferrari.
Ask around.

Dealers were dying with this car and it has the lowest resale of any of 

the 3 series.

It had the most service bulletins of any Ferrari bar none!
They caught fire and had numerous other major faults.

The quality control was basically non existent and with the new motor 

placement it compounded  all the another issues.

It was a true shit box !

>

> <major snip> The 348 sports coup? was introduced right after that, a 

> "Ferrari" built in line to FIAT traditions suitable for vehicles of 

> limited power output and was the lowest point in the history of the 

> cars from the Prancing Horse. Among its many defects, was a chassis 

> that deformed to the point where the metal sunroof wouldn't even return 

> to its housing."

>

Michael, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you were intentionally 

baiting Clyde!  heh heh....

;-)
gp
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 07:43:00 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
(Clyde Romero)
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There was no batting at all
It is what it is !

Clyde Romero

In Victory you deserve Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!

On May 22, 2014, at 7:18 AM, George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com> wrote:

> The 348 was in fact the car that almost bankrupt Ferrari.
> Ask around.

> Dealers were dying with this car and it has the lowest resale of any of 

> the 3 series.

> It had the most service bulletins of any Ferrari bar none!
> They caught fire and had numerous other major faults.

> The quality control was basically non existent and with the new motor 

> placement it compounded all the another issues.

> It was a true shit box !
>
> >

> > <major snip> The 348 sports coup? was introduced right after that, a 

> > "Ferrari" built in line to FIAT traditions suitable for vehicles of 

> > limited power output and was the lowest point in the history of the 

> > cars from the Prancing Horse. Among its many defects, was a chassis 

> > that deformed to the point where the metal sunroof wouldn't even 

> > return to its housing."

> >

Michael, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you were intentionally 

baiting Clyde!  heh heh....

;-)

gp
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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 19:02:10 +0600
From: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
To: Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
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It's weird.....the 348 for all its faults was the car that bridged the old
school 308/328 to the new school 355/360.

As a lover of all things unloved, it's hard to move away from it. That 

it's

closer in performance and handling to a 355 than a 328 while retaining
308/328 like "feel" also makes it hard to kill off mentally. :)

I'll always defend, hehe.

FG

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Michel Savard 

<mysavard [at] videotron.ca>wrote:

 I"m reading Mauro Forghieri's book on his years at Ferrari. Very very
interesting for the technical side of racing and the lack of money of the
early years and through the 60s.

No gossip here. Not the Bernie Ecclestone's book. Far from "Hey I just
made tea" (A MUST FOR ANY F1 FAN).

I have learned to respect Enzo Ferrari even more by reading this book.

EVERYTHING he did was for his racing cars. NOTHING ELSE. Even in the 

early

years, other teams came and went even if they were able to beat Ferrari
with innovations, but left because money was scarced. Enzo kept going.

Near the end of Forghieri's years at Ferrari is also the period where 

Enzo

was ill, not in great shape to command. Sharks were all around trying to

get ahead seeing Enzo was not as in control as he used to be. You can 

tell

Forghieri is frustrated. Suddenly the writing takes a different 

direction.

The suits from FIAT took over.

Then on page 232, Forghieri writes: "The 408/4RM was unveiled at the 1987
Detroit Motor Show and generated a great deat of interest. But when the

project was finished I clashed with Maranello's director of production 

who

was cold towards the car, saying it embodied too much advanced technology
for Ferrari. The 348 sports coup? was introduced right after that, a

"Ferrari" built in line to FIAT traditions suitable for vehicles of 

limited

power output and was the lowest point in the history of the cars from the

Prancing Horse. Among its many defects, was a chassis that deformed to 

the

point where the metal sunroof wouldn't even return to its housing."

The Forghieri moved to Lamborghini after 27 years and 5 months. Chrysler
had bought Lamborghini.

I've read a lot of negative things about the 348 through the years. And
every time, somebody comes up to defend it. Fortunately.
Any thoughts ?

Michael Savard
1981 308 GTSi

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:13:36 -0400
From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
To: Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
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That car didn't bridge shit
It was a major mistake from a marquis that was known to represent
Outstanding cars
It was the GM equivalent of a Chevy Vega!
The 355 early years too are plagued with numerous quality control issues
Like exhaust and seat racks for the convertible crowd

Clyde Romero

In Victory you deserve Champagne
In Defeat You Need It!

On May 22, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Fellippe Galletta 

<fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

It's weird.....the 348 for all its faults was the car that bridged the 

old school 308/328 to the new school 355/360.

As a lover of all things unloved, it's hard to move away from it. That 

it's closer in performance and handling to a 355 than a 328 while 

retaining 308/328 like "feel" also makes it hard to kill off mentally. :)

I'll always defend, hehe.

FG

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Michel Savard <mysavard [at] videotron.ca> 

wrote:

I"m reading Mauro Forghieri's book on his years at Ferrari. Very very 

interesting for the technical side of racing and the lack of money of 

the early years and through the 60s.

No gossip here. Not the Bernie Ecclestone's book. Far from "Hey I just 

made tea" (A MUST FOR ANY F1 FAN).

I have learned to respect Enzo Ferrari even more by reading this book. 

EVERYTHING he did was for his racing cars. NOTHING ELSE. Even in the 

early years, other teams came and went even if they were able to beat 

Ferrari with innovations, but left because money was scarced. Enzo kept 

going.

Near the end of Forghieri's years at Ferrari is also the period where 

Enzo was ill, not in great shape to command. Sharks were all around 

trying to get ahead seeing Enzo was not as in control as he used to be. 

You can tell Forghieri is frustrated. Suddenly the writing takes a 

different direction. The suits from FIAT took over.

Then on page 232, Forghieri writes: "The 408/4RM was unveiled at the 

1987 Detroit Motor Show and generated a great deat of interest. But when 

the project was finished I clashed with Maranello's director of 

production who was cold towards the car, saying it embodied too much 

advanced technology for Ferrari. The 348 sports coup? was introduced 

right after that, a "Ferrari" built in line to FIAT traditions suitable 

for vehicles of limited power output and was the lowest point in the 

history of the cars from the Prancing Horse. Among its many defects, was 

a chassis that deformed to the point where the metal sunroof wouldn't 

even return to its housing."

The Forghieri moved to Lamborghini after 27 years and 5 months. Chrysler 

had bought Lamborghini.

I've read a lot of negative things about the 348 through the years. And 

every time, somebody comes up to defend it. Fortunately.

Any thoughts ?

Michael Savard
1981 308 GTSi

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 10:03:12 -0400
From: mysavard [at] videotron.ca
To: George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
(Clyde Romero)
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I mentioned that paragraph because it's the only time Forghieri writes 

about a Ferrari road car in his book. It comes at the end when he's 

frustrating by what is happening all around him. If he had said something 

like that about MY 308, I still would have written about it to the Ferrari 

List. I jst wanted to see what the List had to say.

Michael Savard

Le 22/05/14, George <ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com> a ?crit :

  > The 348 was in fact the car that almost bankrupt Ferrari.
> Ask around.

> Dealers were dying with this car and it has the lowest resale of any of 

> the 3 series.

> It had the most service bulletins of any Ferrari bar none!
> They caught fire and had numerous other major faults.

> The quality control was basically non existent and with the new motor 

> placement it compounded all the another issues.

> It was a true shit box !
>
> >

> > <major snip> The 348 sports coup? was introduced right after that, a 

> > "Ferrari" built in line to FIAT traditions suitable for vehicles of 

> > limited power output and was the lowest point in the history of the 

> > cars from the Prancing Horse. Among its many defects, was a chassis 

> > that deformed to the point where the metal sunroof wouldn't even 

> > return to its housing."

> >

Michael, if I didn't know any better, I'd say you were intentionally 

baiting Clyde!  heh heh....

;-)

gp

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 10:32:14 -0400
From: Alexander Ishii <alexishii [at] mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Mauro Forghieri on Ferrari book and the 348
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The really sad part was that the 348 came after the 328, which in my 

opinion

was one of the best 3 series ever made, it had a decent amount of torque,
great PINN styling

No arguments about the many hiccups in the 348, but will say that they are
fun cars to drive.  Noticeably quicker than 328, and to me, the styling is
nice (though I lament the fake air intake at the front).

I also have a soft spot in my heart for it, because it had to carry the
Ferrari flag against the NSX, and while it may have lost on paper, it did
manage to show people that "soul" did count (and there was a claim at the
time, that it was faster around the track then the current TR)...

and GM type air conditioning which the 308 lacked.

No argument from me about how nice it would be to have 328 AC in my 308...

   Cheers,
   Alex
   '84 Nero Metallic

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