Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Freeze

[Robert W. Garven Jr. (rgarven]

I'm a pretty nonviolent guy but I liked Nigel because once he was really mad and punched some driver while he was still wearing his helmet. My memory is fading but I also remember he assaulted a team manager which he had a disagreement with. I thought all this made him very exciting and at least out of the ordinary

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:16 PM, Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, in Dallas, but Nigel will always remembered by me, for taking a victory lap b4 the Canadian GP was over and caused the electronics to disable the engine, we were at the hairpin as he went by waving and the engine died leaving the hairpin.

Stephen

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:44 AM, John Ashburne via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Politics has never been a stranger to F1, for better or worse, it's all part of the entertainment. 

John

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, but Putin was also likely involved.  

Sad when the politics are more interesting than what is happening on the track...

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:28 AM, John Ashburne <jashburne [at] aol.com> wrote:

I'm sure it's anything but rubles. No flies on Bernie!

John

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Wonder if his Russia contract is in rubles, euros or pounds sterling?

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:03 AM, John Ashburne via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

That could work, realistic enough to fool most of the viewing audience. Only issue is Bernie will lose his exorbitant fees from the sites.   He'll have to figure out a way to finagle a replacement for those lost $$$$. 

John

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

Simulator racing on a CGI track...  woohoo!

Damn, you're right.

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From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Freeze

You can save even more money and get all of the drivers on an XBox 360, you could even cut out the travel costs so long as hackers sympathetic to North Korea don't try and upset the show. 

Just rearranging deck chairs, you're watching the death throws of the sport...

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On Dec 28, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, you were talking about the Drivers Championship, I have to disagree there too, this year that was the only point of contention.

I enjoyed F1 more when there was qualifying engines, back up cars, testing, tire wars ( when the makers developed the sticky tire that lasted the longest), fuel development.......

Remember when Prost and pushed his car over the finish only to disqualified because the car had to be using it's own power.

Stephen 

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:

A) get rid of mandatory hybrids.  Environmental impact is a joke and from a battery cost perspective alone it gets rid of millions per year

B) go back to a displacement formula and let them build what they may...  1/x modifier for power adders (turbo.nitrous, supercharger, hybrid)

C) get rid of multi-race motors/gearboxes.  Throw-aways are cheaper than durables and a whole lot more exciting.

Then Merc can have what they keep whining about for the future of their road cars

Ferrari can go back to V12s, or better yet, flat 12s 

Resurrect the BMW I4 turbo Renault V6 twin turbos

I personally liked the normally aspirated V10s

Agree:

hope Honda has a wicked power plant

don't really care about a driver's series.

And for Pete's SAKE... bring back testing.

This concept of 3 car teams but only counting the top two is intriguing...  what if your team finishes 1, 2, 3?  who gets 3rd place points? 

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From: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2014 6:13 AM
Subject: [Ferrari] Freeze

Hi Friends, 

While I congratulate Mercedes for their V6 turbo hybrid F1 power system, I feel that its very much against the 'technical excellence' concept to freeze engine development within the season. Mercedes currently has an advantage and they argue engine cost containment just to keep it. How can one fault them? They don't want a fair fight. They want to continue to win. Winning sells cars and pleases sponsors.

Of course, I'd love to see Honda come in and spank Mercedes at their own game - with no opportunity to make changes! Their engine freeze story might change then. Actually, I feel the better solution is to open up engine development within the limits of the formula. Run what you can build. What could be better for the science of engine development than continuous improvement? 

And what of Ferrari? A friend here asked, "If everyone who used to make Ferrari F1 cars is gone, is the new car actually a Ferrari?" Of course it is but the concept is thought provoking...

So what are your opinions? I think mine is obvious. I don't give a rat's ass who's driving. I am interested only in the machines - and that interest has been stifled as of late. One might say my interest was frozen.

Bring on 2015 and let the engineers build and evolve the best machines possible! That's just my two cents worth.

-rick

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