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From: Craig Williamson (da-rollscomcast.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 23:31:57 -0800 (PST)
I love Fracking, or to Frack. Fracking is usually a lot of fun and I'll never turn down an opportunity to Frack! 

Thanks Captain,
Ya got it right!!!
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  1. 2015 playing field (Rick Lindsay)
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  5. Re: 2015 playing field (Rick Lindsay)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 07:12:41 -0600
From: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: [Ferrari] 2015 playing field
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Hello,
Just read that the FIA has agreed to allow Honda in-season engine development. Could this be the first sane FIA decision in recent years? The article didn't say specifically if Honda would be afforded the same development opportunities as the other teams. Only that they had won their appeal with the FIA. That alone is a quantum change!
What are your thoughts regarding the 2015 season? I know some of you, like many in the general public, feel that F1 is living on borrowed time. I too have noticed the half-empty grandstands and the increased frequency of TV commercials, in the States anyway. But it seems that the message may have gotten through to the organizers. Healthy changes may be coming. Often it takes a bit of time plus a significant financial hit, to overcome an owner's arrogance. Only then do they learn that one can't just force feed their customers silliness for very long before those customers are no longer customers!
Counter to trend, I expect McLaren to come on strong and stay strong. The chassis last year, wasn't bad. And this isn't Honda's first rodeo. Jensen is a very smooth driver. As such, he doesn't add a lot of 'noise' to the data stream coming off of the car. Same with tires. One might even view his drives as in-season testing, while still capable of gathering up points. And of course, Fred is good.
I hope to see Williams continue the progress they showed in the later half of 2014. They too can be strong. Massa may have lost that chip from his shoulder by now, so the whining may subside. I hope so. He's a good driver but I fear his championship aspirations are behind him. Still, good for points.
I believe Ferrari's public statements about hoping to win two races this season, is an 'under promise, over deliver' scheme. That psychological approach rallies the fans around the underdog. But, "Have no fear, Underdog is here!"?Below are my thoughts on the 2015 season for the red cars.
Kimi will just keep on doing whatever he does. But, what will Seb do in a red fire suit? Personally, I care very little about the drivers. I like the cars - but you know that. What I do follow is how the driver influences car development.
Seb's self-described driving style is 'point-n-squirt'. That works great in a chassis that handles the rest of the issues. Witness the earlier Red Bulls. But make the chassis a pig to drive, like most of the cars last last season, and that go-kart style of driving doesn't work. One has to actually drive the car from braking point through to exit, rather than just ride it out. The big question in my mind remains: Even if Ferrari can build enough power into the hybred abortion energy system (or whatever politically correct name chosen), can they build a chassis, within the current formula, that fits Seb's point-n-squirt driving style? That, my friends, is what will define Ferrari's performance in 2015. Remember, Adrian Newey couldn't do it last year and he is arguably the preeminent designer. That said, I feel that the key element in the instability is that stupid rear brake-by-wire, not aerodynamics.?
Mercedes will be strong, no doubt. The chassis is a work of art and the engine is excellent. But this season, it may not stand out so far above the crowd. What they made work is the braking. That let them take full advantage of the power available.
And the other teams? Predicting their performance is as reliable as predicting roulette. Well, except perhaps for Lotus. They may bring some nice surprises for us.
Personally, I want Minardi and the innovative offerings of Ken Tyrrell back. But alas... 

-rick
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From: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
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http://www.toilette-humor.com/funny_adult_videos/fracking_explained/best_explanation_of_fracking_ever.shtml

In victory you deserve Champagne
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Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:38:24 -0600
From: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2015 playing field
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Good post Rick, tend to agree with most of you observations.
Seb's development skill will be tested at Ferrari, I don't feel he has the skills Michael had. Of course Michael didn't do it alone, and I don't see any one that stands out in the Ferrari organization. 
The FIA's stance about Honda shows a glimmer of hope.
I write this while re watching Abu Dhabi, cleaning up my DVR to make room for 2015 F1 season. 

Stephen
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote: 

Hello,
Just read that the FIA has agreed to allow Honda in-season engine development. Could this be the first sane FIA decision in recent years? The article didn't say specifically if Honda would be afforded the same development opportunities as the other teams. Only that they had won their appeal with the FIA. That alone is a quantum change!
What are your thoughts regarding the 2015 season? I know some of you, like many in the general public, feel that F1 is living on borrowed time. I too have noticed the half-empty grandstands and the increased frequency of TV commercials, in the States anyway. But it seems that the message may have gotten through to the organizers. Healthy changes may be coming. Often it takes a bit of time plus a significant financial hit, to overcome an owner's arrogance. Only then do they learn that one can't just force feed their customers silliness for very long before those customers are no longer customers!
Counter to trend, I expect McLaren to come on strong and stay strong. The chassis last year, wasn't bad. And this isn't Honda's first rodeo. Jensen is a very smooth driver. As such, he doesn't add a lot of 'noise' to the data stream coming off of the car. Same with tires. One might even view his drives as in-season testing, while still capable of gathering up points. And of course, Fred is good.
I hope to see Williams continue the progress they showed in the later half of 2014. They too can be strong. Massa may have lost that chip from his shoulder by now, so the whining may subside. I hope so. He's a good driver but I fear his championship aspirations are behind him. Still, good for points.
I believe Ferrari's public statements about hoping to win two races this season, is an 'under promise, over deliver' scheme. That psychological approach rallies the fans around the underdog. But, "Have no fear, Underdog is here!" Below are my thoughts on the 2015 season for the red cars.
Kimi will just keep on doing whatever he does. But, what will Seb do in a red fire suit? Personally, I care very little about the drivers. I like the cars - but you know that. What I do follow is how the driver influences car development.
Seb's self-described driving style is 'point-n-squirt'. That works great in a chassis that handles the rest of the issues. Witness the earlier Red Bulls. But make the chassis a pig to drive, like most of the cars last last season, and that go-kart style of driving doesn't work. One has to actually drive the car from braking point through to exit, rather than just ride it out. The big question in my mind remains: Even if Ferrari can build enough power into the hybred abortion energy system (or whatever politically correct name chosen), can they build a chassis, within the current formula, that fits Seb's point-n-squirt driving style? That, my friends, is what will define Ferrari's performance in 2015. Remember, Adrian Newey couldn't do it last year and he is arguably the preeminent designer. That said, I feel that the key element in the instability is that stupid rear brake-by-wire, not aerodynamics.
Mercedes will be strong, no doubt. The chassis is a work of art and the engine is excellent. But this season, it may not stand out so far above the crowd. What they made work is the braking. That let them take full advantage of the power available.
And the other teams? Predicting their performance is as reliable as predicting roulette. Well, except perhaps for Lotus. They may bring some nice surprises for us.
Personally, I want Minardi and the innovative offerings of Ken Tyrrell back. But alas... 

-rick
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:51:26 -0600
From: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
To: Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fracking made simple
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Good One!
Stephen

Sent from my iPad
On Jan 17, 2015, at 8:44 AM, Clyde Romero <clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net> wrote: 


http://www.toilette-humor.com/funny_adult_videos/fracking_explained/best_explanation_of_fracking_ever.shtml

In victory you deserve Champagne
In defeat you need it!



Scars are Tattoos with better stories !

If you follow all the rules
You miss all the fun!

Clyde Romero
Clyderomerof4 [at] bellsouth.net.
678  6419932
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From: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
To: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2015 playing field
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Totally agree.?
You know I worked as a pit marshal during the US F1 GP races at Indy. That was in the Michael era. What I noticed more than his skills in the car, was his command of the 'show'. He knew how to make the team, the press, the FIA, and the marshals feel good about themselves and feel excited about the show. In my mind, that's so much better for the 'sport' than petty squabbles between M-B drivers! 

-rick
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Stephen L Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com> </div><div>Date:01/17/2015 10:38 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> </div><div>Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2015 playing field </div><div> 
</div>Good post Rick, tend to agree with most of you observations.
Seb's development skill will be tested at Ferrari, I don't feel he has the skills Michael had. Of course Michael didn't do it alone, and I don't see any one that stands out in the Ferrari organization. 
The FIA's stance about Honda shows a glimmer of hope.
I write this while re watching Abu Dhabi, cleaning up my DVR to make room for 2015 F1 season. 

Stephen
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com> wrote: 

Hello,
Just read that the FIA has agreed to allow Honda in-season engine development. Could this be the first sane FIA decision in recent years? The article didn't say specifically if Honda would be afforded the same development opportunities as the other teams. Only that they had won their appeal with the FIA. That alone is a quantum change!
What are your thoughts regarding the 2015 season? I know some of you, like many in the general public, feel that F1 is living on borrowed time. I too have noticed the half-empty grandstands and the increased frequency of TV commercials, in the States anyway. But it seems that the message may have gotten through to the organizers. Healthy changes may be coming. Often it takes a bit of time plus a significant financial hit, to overcome an owner's arrogance. Only then do they learn that one can't just force feed their customers silliness for very long before those customers are no longer customers!
Counter to trend, I expect McLaren to come on strong and stay strong. The chassis last year, wasn't bad. And this isn't Honda's first rodeo. Jensen is a very smooth driver. As such, he doesn't add a lot of 'noise' to the data stream coming off of the car. Same with tires. One might even view his drives as in-season testing, while still capable of gathering up points. And of course, Fred is good.
I hope to see Williams continue the progress they showed in the later half of 2014. They too can be strong. Massa may have lost that chip from his shoulder by now, so the whining may subside. I hope so. He's a good driver but I fear his championship aspirations are behind him. Still, good for points.
I believe Ferrari's public statements about hoping to win two races this season, is an 'under promise, over deliver' scheme. That psychological approach rallies the fans around the underdog. But, "Have no fear, Underdog is here!" Below are my thoughts on the 2015 season for the red cars.
Kimi will just keep on doing whatever he does. But, what will Seb do in a red fire suit? Personally, I care very little about the drivers. I like the cars - but you know that. What I do follow is how the driver influences car development.
Seb's self-described driving style is 'point-n-squirt'. That works great in a chassis that handles the rest of the issues. Witness the earlier Red Bulls. But make the chassis a pig to drive, like most of the cars last last season, and that go-kart style of driving doesn't work. One has to actually drive the car from braking point through to exit, rather than just ride it out. The big question in my mind remains: Even if Ferrari can build enough power into the hybred abortion energy system (or whatever politically correct name chosen), can they build a chassis, within the current formula, that fits Seb's point-n-squirt driving style? That, my friends, is what will define Ferrari's performance in 2015. Remember, Adrian Newey couldn't do it last year and he is arguably the preeminent designer. That said, I feel that the key element in the instability is that stupid rear brake-by-wire, not aerodynamics.
Mercedes will be strong, no doubt. The chassis is a work of art and the engine is excellent. But this season, it may not stand out so far above the crowd. What they made work is the braking. That let them take full advantage of the power available.
And the other teams? Predicting their performance is as reliable as predicting roulette. Well, except perhaps for Lotus. They may bring some nice surprises for us.
Personally, I want Minardi and the innovative offerings of Ken Tyrrell back. But alas... 

-rick
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We watched all of the Indy F1 races from turn 4 high in the grandstands
except the year that it was held on the July 4th weekend, we have a
tradition of celebrating at our home in the country with the kid and grand
kids (this year will be the first with a great grand daughter born Jan 9). 

What corner did you work? Do/did you Dwight Cowan, he worked race control.

Stephen

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:


Totally agree.
You know I worked as a pit marshal during the US F1 GP races at Indy. That was in the Michael era. What I noticed more than his skills in the car, was 
his command of the 'show'. He knew how to make the team, the press, the
FIA, and the marshals feel good about themselves and feel excited about the 
show. In my mind, that's so much better for the 'sport' than petty
squabbles between M-B drivers!

-rick


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From: Stephen L Sherman
Date:01/17/2015 10:38 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Rick Lindsay
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 2015 playing field

Good post Rick, tend to agree with most of you observations.
Seb's development skill will be tested at Ferrari, I don't feel he has the 
skills Michael had.
Of course Michael didn't do it alone, and I don't see any one that stands
out in the Ferrari organization.
The FIA's stance about Honda shows a glimmer of hope.
I write this while re watching Abu Dhabi, cleaning up my DVR to make room
for 2015 F1 season.

Stephen
Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Rick Lindsay <richardolindsay [at] gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Just read that the FIA has agreed to allow Honda in-season engine
development. Could this be the first sane FIA decision in recent years? The 
article didn't say specifically if Honda would be afforded the same
development opportunities as the other teams. Only that they had won their 
appeal with the FIA. That alone is a quantum change!
>
> What are your thoughts regarding the 2015 season? I know some of you,
like many in the general public, feel that F1 is living on borrowed time. I too have noticed the half-empty grandstands and the increased frequency of 
TV commercials, in the States anyway. But it seems that the message may
have gotten through to the organizers. Healthy changes may be coming. Often 
it takes a bit of time plus a significant financial hit, to overcome an
owner's arrogance. Only then do they learn that one can't just force feed
their customers silliness for very long before those customers are no
longer customers!
>
> Counter to trend, I expect McLaren to come on strong and stay strong.
The chassis last year, wasn't bad. And this isn't Honda's first rodeo.
Jensen is a very smooth driver. As such, he doesn't add a lot of 'noise' to the data stream coming off of the car. Same with tires. One might even view 
his drives as in-season testing, while still capable of gathering up
points. And of course, Fred is good.
>
> I hope to see Williams continue the progress they showed in the later
half of 2014. They too can be strong. Massa may have lost that chip from
his shoulder by now, so the whining may subside. I hope so. He's a good
driver but I fear his championship aspirations are behind him. Still, good 
for points.
>
> I believe Ferrari's public statements about hoping to win two races > this 
season, is an 'under promise, over deliver' scheme. That psychological
approach rallies the fans around the underdog. But, "Have no fear, Underdog 
is here!" Below are my thoughts on the 2015 season for the red cars.
>
> Kimi will just keep on doing whatever he does. But, what will Seb do in
a red fire suit? Personally, I care very little about the drivers. I like
the cars - but you know that. What I do follow is how the driver influences 
car development.
>
> Seb's self-described driving style is 'point-n-squirt'. That works > great 
in a chassis that handles the rest of the issues. Witness the earlier Red
Bulls. But make the chassis a pig to drive, like most of the cars last last season, and that go-kart style of driving doesn't work. One has to actually drive the car from braking point through to exit, rather than just ride it out. The big question in my mind remains: Even if Ferrari can build enough 
power into the hybred abortion energy system (or whatever politically
correct name chosen), can they build a chassis, within the current formula, 
that fits Seb's point-n-squirt driving style? That, my friends, is what
will define Ferrari's performance in 2015. Remember, Adrian Newey couldn't 
do it last year and he is arguably the preeminent designer. That said, I
feel that the key element in the instability is that stupid rear
brake-by-wire, not aerodynamics.
>
> Mercedes will be strong, no doubt. The chassis is a work of art and the
engine is excellent. But this season, it may not stand out so far above the 
crowd. What they made work is the braking. That let them take full
advantage of the power available.
>
> And the other teams? Predicting their performance is as reliable as
predicting roulette. Well, except perhaps for Lotus. They may bring some
nice surprises for us.
>
> Personally, I want Minardi and the innovative offerings of Ken Tyrrell
back. But alas...
>
> -rick
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