Ferrari Mailing List: 458 Smoke

[porter bingham (porter.bingham]

It was very interesting to witness this smoking horse, but the explanation that 
the salesmen offered was so ridiculous that I believe that his real job is a 
Comedian... Clyde we may have been on candid camera....

Porter Bingham, CEO 
Malachi Financial Products, Inc.
770-329-1227 (Mobile)


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>   1. Re: 458 smoke (clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com)
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> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 07:09:14 -0400
> From: clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com
> To: David <david [at] tynerroberts.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
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> This didn't lock up 
> But it looks as if the seals or rings are shot 
> 
> In victory you deserve Champagne
> In defeat you need it!
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> You miss all the fun! 
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>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 1:44 AM, David <david [at] tynerroberts.com> wrote:
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>> I was serious when I said someone overfilled the oil. Happens all too often. 
>> If one is unlucky and overfills it too much, the crankcase is full of oil 
>> and the engine hydraulically locks. THEN the motor is completely blown....
>> 
>>> On 03/14/2016 10:17 PM, Peter Rychel wrote:
>>> Jokes aside, there really shouldn't be ANYTHING coming out of the exhaust 
>>> on a newer Ferrari, except maybe some condensation as the exhaust piping 
>>> heats up. Even my 308 will only puff a bit of blue if I haven't driven it 
>>> in a while and that has 63K mi on it...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 93 mi and it smokes? WTF? The motor was probably blown as soon as it rolled 
>>> off the boat.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> 
>>> on behalf of Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
>>> Sent: March 14, 2016 4:54 PM
>>> To: PeterGT4
>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
>>> 
>>> Smoke comes from HC release from the engine, specifically incomplete 
>>> combustion. A rich non cat car will smoke. Tough to spark ignite oil, 
>>> that's why seeing smoke usually is a ring issue. 
>>> 
>>> Most of what is seen now on poisoning of catalysts is from phosphorus, it's 
>>> common to accelerate the aging by doping the fuel during testing.  The 
>>> trick is to keep the temperature of the catalyst below 1050C. Above that 
>>> and the material science gets "interesting".  Emission durability is 
>>> country or region specific, with the safety factors that are built in, you 
>>> should be able to get north of 125k miles with no issues, but it is 
>>> dependent on the engine calibration.  Your mileage may (and will) vary. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> yeah but....    275 GTB didn't have cats...
>>>> 
>>>> Since this is your arena...  how much damage does one do to a cat when 
>>>> they use the motor to burn off excess oil?   Any longevity impacts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com>
>>>> To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> 
>>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:17 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
>>>> 
>>>> Heritage. There is a little 275 GTB in all the new cars...
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2016, at 5:35 PM, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This weekend I went by FOA to meet a friend
>>>> The sales people took out a 2013 black and tan 458 spyder with 93 miles on 
>>>> it to crank it up
>>>> Now if you own a 512 TR you know it will smoke if it has not been driven 
>>>> for a while
>>>> But I thought they were doing a burn out!
>>>> There was a huge cloud of smoke the totally envelope the entire car
>>>> I have never seen anything like this ever
>>>> I am sorry with a car that has 93 miles on it should not do this
>>>> 
>>>> PS for those are in the area there will be a memorial for Ted Rutland at 
>>>> his shop on Saturday 6 pm
>>>> Dress is casual
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> CLYDE
>>>> 
>>>> In victory you deserve Champagne
>>>> In defeat you need it!
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>>>> Scars are tattoos with better stories!
>>>> 
>>>> Clyde Romero
>>>> Clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com        
>>>> 678  6419932
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> From: Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com>
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> If that's the case (overfilling the oil) that could have been done 
> pre-delivery (by the dealer). Yikes...
> 
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
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> From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> 
> on behalf of David <david [at] tynerroberts.com>
> Sent: March 14, 2016 10:44 PM
> To: PeterGT4
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
> 
> I was serious when I said someone overfilled the oil. Happens all too often. 
> If one is unlucky and overfills it too much, the crankcase is full of oil and 
> the engine hydraulically locks. THEN the motor is completely blown....
> 
> On 03/14/2016 10:17 PM, Peter Rychel wrote:
> 
> Jokes aside, there really shouldn't be ANYTHING coming out of the exhaust on 
> a newer Ferrari, except maybe some condensation as the exhaust piping heats 
> up. Even my 308 will only puff a bit of blue if I haven't driven it in a 
> while and that has 63K mi on it...
> 
> 
> 93 mi and it smokes? WTF? The motor was probably blown as soon as it rolled 
> off the boat.
> 
> 
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Ferrari <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] 
> ferrarilist.com><mailto:ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] 
> ferrarilist.com> on behalf of Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] 
> gmail.com><mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>
> Sent: March 14, 2016 4:54 PM
> To: PeterGT4
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
> 
> Smoke comes from HC release from the engine, specifically incomplete 
> combustion. A rich non cat car will smoke. Tough to spark ignite oil, that's 
> why seeing smoke usually is a ring issue.
> 
> Most of what is seen now on poisoning of catalysts is from phosphorus, it's 
> common to accelerate the aging by doping the fuel during testing.  The trick 
> is to keep the temperature of the catalyst below 1050C. Above that and the 
> material science gets "interesting".  Emission durability is country or 
> region specific, with the safety factors that are built in, you should be 
> able to get north of 125k miles with no issues, but it is dependent on the 
> engine calibration.  Your mileage may (and will) vary.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 14, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Rick Moseley <<mailto:ramosel [at] 
> pacbell.net>ramosel [at] pacbell.net<mailto:ramosel [at] pacbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> yeah but....    275 GTB didn't have cats...
> 
> Since this is your arena...  how much damage does one do to a cat when they 
> use the motor to burn off excess oil?   Any longevity impacts?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com<mailto:judge4re [at] gmail.com>>
> To: Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net<mailto:ramosel [at] pacbell.net>>
> Cc: The FerrariList <<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>ferrari [at] 
> ferrarilist.com<mailto:ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>>
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 458 smoke
> 
> Heritage. There is a little 275 GTB in all the new cars...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 14, 2016, at 5:35 PM, clyde romero <clyderomerof4 [at] 
> gmail.com<mailto:clyderomerof4 [at] gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> This weekend I went by FOA to meet a friend
> The sales people took out a 2013 black and tan 458 spyder with 93 miles on it 
> to crank it up
> Now if you own a 512 TR you know it will smoke if it has not been driven for 
> a while
> But I thought they were doing a burn out!
> There was a huge cloud of smoke the totally envelope the entire car
> I have never seen anything like this ever
> I am sorry with a car that has 93 miles on it should not do this
> 
> PS for those are in the area there will be a memorial for Ted Rutland at his 
> shop on Saturday 6 pm
> Dress is casual
> 
> 
> 
> 
> CLYDE
> 
> In victory you deserve Champagne
> In defeat you need it!
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> 
> Scars are tattoos with better stories!
> 
> Clyde Romero
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