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From: Luke Graves (buyer1![]() |
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Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:07:11 -0700 (PDT) |
So, do you have a Ferrari? From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+buyer1=airmail.net [at] ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 4:24 PM To: Col Luke Graves Cc: The FerrariList Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GM products, was: Re: 1978 GTS Rear Brake Caliper question That
was an ugly time for GM engineering AND build. Every interior fastener in my 85
Corvette is an exposed screw, or an 8mm hex head bolt. Everywhere one of those
goes in, the hole is slotted. If you go over a speed bump you can watch the
whole dash twist back and forth and most of them now have had their mounting
ears and tabs snapped off from the motion, so you can’t make it a quiet car
again. I can strip the entire interior out of that car in 2 hours, which I used
to do regularly when I was building competition stereos for it. I could cut that
to an hour if I didn’t care about noting which screws went back
where. If
you park it on an incline with the targa top off, you can’t put the targa top
back on because the car literally folds so much. But
despite all that, I do love the car. I had great years in it and it was a beast
of a performer for its time. The Z51 suspension that mine has was built to win
SCCA events in unmodified classes. It will tear your kidneys out on a
cobblestone road, but as a flexible teenager I adored it. Some years back our
own Michael Scallion worked his magic on the motor and with built internals and
a Procharger supercharger kit, my motor could make 600hp. The brakes and chassis
aren’t up to that, so it sits at about 450 right now, and even that’s scary in
that chassis. Still, it’s a great looking car 30+ years later and I still enjoy
it. Long live COPBAIT! J From: George
[mailto:ygpz4re [at] hotmail.com] And the door
panel was really just an example of what I perceive (rightly or wrongly) to be
shoddy workmanship on GM's part. I mean, if a 30+ year old *Triumph*
(possibly the cheapest of all cheap *BRITISH* sports cars) can keep its door
panels securely in place, why can't GM's flagship sports car?? Where else
have they cut corners to build to a price? What else will just fall
apart? And as you point out Charles - this particular problem was
after the rework.... So, if my
wife ever did talk me into buying her a Chevy (not very likely), I might
like it initially, but would be ever wary of when things will just start to
break. Her former Monte Carlo not withstanding (that was a good and very
nice, comfy - and quick! - car). FWIW, YMMV,
yadda yadda... gp From:
Charles Perry <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> I
will concede you that fact, George. My C4 Corvette (1985 Z51) has possibly the
worst POS door panels of any car ever built, and I am including my neighbor’s
amateur race cars which include a lot of old real estate signs and pallets as
structural components. Even the aftermarket replacement C4 door panels make a
Papa John’s pizza look rigid, and even including additional aftermarket brackets
they still pop off the door structure every time you close the door. Without
question: Worst. Car part. Ever. And
your friend’s 96 was AFTER they had an interior re-work to update the C4 from
mine. I
had considered trying to fab my own from fiberglass, but I am currently derailed
by the car’s need for new fuel pumps. From:
Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com [at] ferrarilist.com]
On Behalf Of George I find
Charles' comments interesting, but won't let my wife read them (she's a Chevy
gal from way back). She's constantly PO'd that I won't buy her a Chevy,
even though her old Monte Carlo Z34 (1998 MY) was still in great shape and
going strong at 204K miles when we sold it a decade or so
back. To me, Chevy
has always been a maker of pretty darn good engines - but the rest of the car
sucked. A very good friend has a '96 'Vette with a great LT4 engine, but
also with a floppy inner driver's side door panel. Even my former POS
Triumph Spitfire (RIP), at almost *20 YEARS* older than the 'Vette, didn't
have a floppy door panel. WTF Chevy??? So I'm
curious to see how Charles' CTS-V holds up over time, WRT build quality. I
suspect the engine will be like the energizer bunny.... And in that
vein, I'll be happy to hear of *UNRESTORED* examples of vintage GM products that
are as good as the day they first rolled out of the showroom. I'll
start - her Monte Carlo was darn close, even the leather upholstery was just
broken in (almost 10 years and, as mentioned above, 204K miles). Wondering
if that's the exception or now the rule? But as long
as she uses *MY* good credit to buy a car, I still get a say in what that car
is. 😉 gp
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