Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Buying one car

[Clarence Romero Jr. (clyderomerof4]

Charles no modern day Ferrari to include the 458 will ever have any collectibility 

Period!

A quick scan of the yellow shit rag market letter will quell that for you

Those cars are like dirty diapers at a day care center!

As for the new NSX 

The hype caught up with them again

No one wants to buy a $200k sewing machine!

Only Jay Leno does!

And he doesn’t know shit about cars he just has deep pockets which makes him think he knows something about cars!

Buy what you like and makes you want to drive it not wax it !

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On Mar 10, 2018, at 6:58 AM, Britt2asa via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

I am sure they are amazing sedans but he does need reliability.

That removes any German car made after 1991 from the running.

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I have owned and continued to own at least 12 German cars in the past 15 years. Mostly bmw and most ran over 100k miles BUT after having one major issue on a 2005 5 series I would suggest never owning a German car unless you have a full warranty. My last 2015 5 series and my 2013 X1 have been bullet proof as was my 3 series before that. I do believe the more options, fancy suspension and upgrades you buy the more chance of trouble. And stay away from VW as well. 

BR in Stockholm

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On 8 Mar 2018, at 09:59, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

They could be just fine until about 40-50k miles. After that, owners seem to run for the hills.  

A good metric for a regular car's desirability is resale value. 

Here, the Germans are still out performing everyone. In a really bad way...

At least Benz has recently realized that their engineering departments cannot keep up with the rest of the world. They have started buying or copying technology directly from other manufacturers.

So, my criticism may be short lived as soon as they start implementing more outside solutions into their cars.

They should've started about 25 yrs ago before things started going bad.

On Mar 8, 2018, at 12:17, Brian E. Buxton <BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com> wrote:

Interesting perspective ... I've had 8 newer (or new) Mercedes in the last 10 years incl. G500, C63, E63, SL55, '12 CLS, S550, two E320 diesels and other cars / SUV's (GLK and ML) my dad has owned and we have never had any unusual issues with any of them.

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On 3/8/18 12:35 AM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari wrote:

I am sure they are amazing sedans but he does need reliability.

That removes any German car made after 1991 from the running.

On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:22, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Well Singh, the C63s comes in 2 and 4 door versions too with probably little difference dynamically....

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Speaking in terms of a "nice breakdown", scratch any modern Mercedes off the list.

They are nice to look at and ride in but terribly engineered and unreliable.

If you are going to withstand those types of potential repairs, get the Ferrari or Mclaren.

Shame on this List!

The man gave us a list of exotics to choose from and it took 4.3 seconds for someone to suggest a soccer mom sedan/station wagon with a dashboard mounted depreciation gauge.

So sad...

On Mar 7, 2018, at 21:28, Fellippe Galletta <fellippe.galletta [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Nice breakdown by Charles.

In addition to the McLaren and Lamborghini examples, why not throw in a Bentley Continental GT?

It might not have exceptional handling or braking performance, but it sure as hell is a fast car.

Gas mileage might be s****, but that's about the only knock I have on the car.

BTW, I recently got to ride as a passenger extensively in Queensland, Australia in both a C63s Wagon and a Cayman GT4.....both excellent cars in their own regard. The GT4 on back roads was outstanding, but alas it is the NA flat 6 not the turbo 4. The C63S had an awesome exhaust note, tremendous mid range power, pretty nice interior.

However, as fun as those cars were they weren't the most comfortable in the world, esp. the Porsche (sports seats). But there's a marked difference between being a passenger and driver in those circumstances....

For pure daily usage, gotta figure a 911 carrera or turbo is better than a Cayman.

FG

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 6:22 PM, Charles Perry <charles [at] carolinasound.com> wrote:

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I would scratch the NSX based on what appears to be horrid depreciation potential. See attached – They sold less than 600 of them in the first year of production. Since rarity wasn’t on your list and the resale market would be infinitesimal – goodbye.

 

California T still horrifyingly ugly. No one asked for a Ferrari with a Kardashian ass. Scratch if you can’t stretch to the Portofino.

 

If you’re already going to have a track car, why bother with the GT4? It’s just going to beat you up on the road. A standard Cayman S would be a better daily by far. Also $100k for a four-cylinder turbo? Not me. And by initial estimates, it’s a full second slower to 60 than the new M5. What’s that? My super-impressive Porsche is outdragged by BMW’s executive whale tank?

 

I’m a huge Corvette fan, but I wouldn’t buy such a radically new GM product in its first year of production. Give them a year or so to work through bugs and production engineering.

 

458 seems to be a great car with some collector/appreciation potential as the last of the normally aspirated. Market is flush with them, so there are deals to be had. Not quite sure they’re down at $150 without higher mileage, but if you’re going to daily drive it anyway, then don’t bother wasting money on a low mileage garage queen where you’re going to piss away that extra premium you paid.

 

So I’m in for the 458. If you’re looking for other interesting units in that price range, possibly McLaren MP4-12C or Lamborghini Huracan.

 

-- charles

 

 

 

From: Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=carolina-sound.com@ferrarilist.com] On Behalf Of Richard J. Hockert
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 11:32 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Buying one car

 

In about eighteen months you are planning to buy another car….

 

Criteria for deciding:

 

·         Reliability

·         Daily driver (except you still have your SUV or Pickup and maybe a track car)

·         Soft budget of about $150,000

·         New or used acceptable

·         Exceptional performance

·         Exceptional looks

 

What do you chose from the following and why?

 

·         NSX

·         California T

·         458

·         New mid-engine Corvette

·         New 4 liter Porsche GT4 RS

 

Just wondering…..

 

Jim in Dallas

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