Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Regen breaking

[Hans E. Hansen (FList]

RIGHT!  Get your facts straight.

Check out the Volt forums.  None of the cars has a brake light on
regen. I guess this means that they are ALL defective.   It was a long
topic of conversation a couple of years back.

Hans.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:26 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> 
wrote:
>
> Then there's something wrong with your car....OR....the regen is as weak as 
> engine braking.
> The electric cars I've driven have the brake lights come on as soon as there 
> is enough regen to equate to using a brake pedal.
>
> Next time you try to be assertive, maybe get your facts right.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org]
> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 9:58 AM
> To: Peter Pless; The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>
> ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!
>
> I taped a piece of foil near the center brake light on my Volt so I could see 
> it reflect in my rear view mirror.  Step on brakes, I can see the light on.  
> Lift throttle (regen), NO LIGHT!
>
> Next time you try and guess an answer, get a car and experiment first.
>
> Hans.
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> 
> wrote:
> >
> > The brake lights most certainly come on when you use regen on an electric 
> > car. The fact that some of you thought that it was possible that they DON'T 
> > is astounding!
> >
> > And then, once you've stopped, you can put your foot on the brake pedal so 
> > that the brake lights are on....just like in any other car.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ferrari
> > [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On
> > Behalf Of jashburne--- via Ferrari
> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:09 PM
> > To: Peter Pless
> > Cc: The FerrariList
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
> >
> > I’m surprised that the brake lights aren’t programmed to come on when the 
> > motor is actively slowing down the car. Sounds dangerous if not.
> >
> > John
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I wouldn't call it severe.  Think of the throttle (rheostat?) as
> > > having a neutral position, which is part way down.  Push further, it
> > > accelerates.  More push, more acceleration.  Lift throttle is similar.
> > > Lift a little, gradual decel, etc.
> > >
> > > As for the brake light issue, my recent Thanksgiving trip to
> > > Portland gave me the opposite problem.  I was in stop and go congestion 
> > > on I-5.
> > > I'd lift to slow, but because the brake lights don't come on, cars
> > > behind me had no idea that I had started slowing until it became
> > > very obvious.  Given the congestion and that people tend to follow
> > > way too close, I thought this could be dangerous, so I "shifted"
> > > into regular "drive" (simulating a gas car with an auto trans) which
> > > forced me to use the brake pedal to slow even slightly.  Thus
> > > lighting up the brake lights and warning people behind me.
> > >
> > > Hans.
> > >> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:23 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] 
> > >> hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> So, every time you let off the accelerator pedal, the regen kicks in and 
> > >> it’s that severe?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Ferrari
> > >> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf
> > >> of Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:49:45 AM
> > >> To: PeterGT4
> > >> Cc: The FerrariList
> > >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
> > >>
> > >> FWIW, the regen in a Chevy Volt is fairly strong, strong enough
> > >> that I only use the brake (NOT break) pedal for the final 20 feet
> > >> or so to come to a complete stop in normal traffic.
> > >>
> > >> Hans.
> > >>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:22 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] 
> > >>> hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How much drag does it feel when you lift off the accelerator pedal? 
> > >>> Like, it’s going to come to a complete dead stop very, very quickly?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I wonder if cars like this (I’m talking street cars here, not F1) are 
> > >>> designed for people who left-foot brake. Like maybe not such a dramatic 
> > >>> lift-your-entire-foot-off-of-the-gas-pedal and then jamming on the 
> > >>> brake, but a gentle relaxing on the “gas” and slightly pressing on the 
> > >>> brake, more-or-less at the same time.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> As the years pass and the manual transmission disappears off the road, 
> > >>> nearly everyone are driving automatics now and I’ve noticed, especially 
> > >>> with younger, newer drivers that they’re using their left feet for 
> > >>> braking. How can I tell? From the continuous blinking of the brake 
> > >>> lights, yet not noticeable drop in speed as they drive along a busy 
> > >>> route. It’s not that they’re trying to slow down, but only moderate 
> > >>> their speed as they go along. It’s incredibly annoying.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ________________________________
> > >>> From: Ferrari
> > >>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf
> > >>> of Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
> > >>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:36:22 PM
> > >>> To: PeterGT4
> > >>> Cc: The FerrariList
> > >>> Subject: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
> > >>>
> > >>> I have learned what F1 drivers experience (not to the extent that F1 
> > >>> do) when the commentators talk regenerative breaking. In my Tesla ( 
> > >>> standard regen ) I normally take my foot off the accelerator and the 
> > >>> Tesla deaccelerates like I am braking. I am not sure if depends on the 
> > >>> state of charge of the battery or the temperature or a combination of 
> > >>> the two, but there is NO or not desernable regen braking. There is a 
> > >>> message when I first start to drive that ‘regen braking is limited ‘, 
> > >>> not after I have experienced full regen braking during my drive then 
> > >>> when I take my foot off the accelerator NO regen. It would be nice to 
> > >>> have the message ‘regen braking limited ‘ on the screen, so I would be 
> > >>> braking harder. Just an observation.
> > >>>
> > >>> Stephen L Sherman
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