Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Regen breaking

[Erik Nielsen (judge4re]

The Volt is running off of more lines of code than the F35 does, nothing would 
surprise me on it...

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:
> 
> RIGHT!  Get your facts straight.
> 
> Check out the Volt forums.  None of the cars has a brake light on
> regen. I guess this means that they are ALL defective.   It was a long
> topic of conversation a couple of years back.
> 
> Hans.
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 3:26 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Then there's something wrong with your car....OR....the regen is as weak as 
>> engine braking.
>> The electric cars I've driven have the brake lights come on as soon as there 
>> is enough regen to equate to using a brake pedal.
>> 
>> Next time you try to be assertive, maybe get your facts right.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org]
>> Sent: Monday, 3 December 2018 9:58 AM
>> To: Peter Pless; The FerrariList
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>> 
>> ABSOLUTELY WRONG!!!!
>> 
>> I taped a piece of foil near the center brake light on my Volt so I could 
>> see it reflect in my rear view mirror.  Step on brakes, I can see the light 
>> on.  Lift throttle (regen), NO LIGHT!
>> 
>> Next time you try and guess an answer, get a car and experiment first.
>> 
>> Hans.
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:46 PM Peter Pless <ferrarilist [at] pless.com.au> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The brake lights most certainly come on when you use regen on an electric 
>>> car. The fact that some of you thought that it was possible that they DON'T 
>>> is astounding!
>>> 
>>> And then, once you've stopped, you can put your foot on the brake pedal so 
>>> that the brake lights are on....just like in any other car.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ferrari
>>> [mailto:ferrari-bounces+ferrarilist=pless.com.au [at] ferrarilist.com] On
>>> Behalf Of jashburne--- via Ferrari
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2018 10:09 PM
>>> To: Peter Pless
>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>>> 
>>> I’m surprised that the brake lights aren’t programmed to come on when the 
>>> motor is actively slowing down the car. Sounds dangerous if not.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn't call it severe.  Think of the throttle (rheostat?) as
>>>> having a neutral position, which is part way down.  Push further, it
>>>> accelerates.  More push, more acceleration.  Lift throttle is similar.
>>>> Lift a little, gradual decel, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> As for the brake light issue, my recent Thanksgiving trip to
>>>> Portland gave me the opposite problem.  I was in stop and go congestion on 
>>>> I-5.
>>>> I'd lift to slow, but because the brake lights don't come on, cars
>>>> behind me had no idea that I had started slowing until it became
>>>> very obvious.  Given the congestion and that people tend to follow
>>>> way too close, I thought this could be dangerous, so I "shifted"
>>>> into regular "drive" (simulating a gas car with an auto trans) which
>>>> forced me to use the brake pedal to slow even slightly.  Thus
>>>> lighting up the brake lights and warning people behind me.
>>>> 
>>>> Hans.
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 10:23 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] 
>>>>> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, every time you let off the accelerator pedal, the regen kicks in and 
>>>>> it’s that severe?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Ferrari
>>>>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf
>>>>> of Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2018 9:49:45 AM
>>>>> To: PeterGT4
>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>>>>> 
>>>>> FWIW, the regen in a Chevy Volt is fairly strong, strong enough
>>>>> that I only use the brake (NOT break) pedal for the final 20 feet
>>>>> or so to come to a complete stop in normal traffic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hans.
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 11:22 PM Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] 
>>>>>> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How much drag does it feel when you lift off the accelerator pedal? 
>>>>>> Like, it’s going to come to a complete dead stop very, very quickly?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wonder if cars like this (I’m talking street cars here, not F1) are 
>>>>>> designed for people who left-foot brake. Like maybe not such a dramatic 
>>>>>> lift-your-entire-foot-off-of-the-gas-pedal and then jamming on the 
>>>>>> brake, but a gentle relaxing on the “gas” and slightly pressing on the 
>>>>>> brake, more-or-less at the same time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As the years pass and the manual transmission disappears off the road, 
>>>>>> nearly everyone are driving automatics now and I’ve noticed, especially 
>>>>>> with younger, newer drivers that they’re using their left feet for 
>>>>>> braking. How can I tell? From the continuous blinking of the brake 
>>>>>> lights, yet not noticeable drop in speed as they drive along a busy 
>>>>>> route. It’s not that they’re trying to slow down, but only moderate 
>>>>>> their speed as they go along. It’s incredibly annoying.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Ferrari
>>>>>> <ferrari-bounces+dino308gt4=hotmail.com [at] ferrarilist.com> on behalf
>>>>>> of Stephen Sherman <stephensherman44 [at] gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2018 12:36:22 PM
>>>>>> To: PeterGT4
>>>>>> Cc: The FerrariList
>>>>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Regen breaking
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have learned what F1 drivers experience (not to the extent that F1 do) 
>>>>>> when the commentators talk regenerative breaking. In my Tesla ( standard 
>>>>>> regen ) I normally take my foot off the accelerator and the Tesla 
>>>>>> deaccelerates like I am braking. I am not sure if depends on the state 
>>>>>> of charge of the battery or the temperature or a combination of the two, 
>>>>>> but there is NO or not desernable regen braking. There is a message when 
>>>>>> I first start to drive that ‘regen braking is limited ‘, not after I 
>>>>>> have experienced full regen braking during my drive then when I take my 
>>>>>> foot off the accelerator NO regen. It would be nice to have the message 
>>>>>> ‘regen braking limited ‘ on the screen, so I would be braking harder. 
>>>>>> Just an observation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Stephen L Sherman
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad Pro
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