Ferrari Mailing List: Re: How or where to buy a used Ferrari

[Hans E. Hansen (FList]

Yup.

Is he still around?  Got to be getting "up there"

Hans.

On 6/6/19, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
> For the GT4 , was it Carlo at Alfa of Tacoma?
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] How or where to buy a used Ferrari
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> Seems this thread diverged a bit, but going back to the original,
> bought a couple of cars that were not new:
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> 1.  308GT4 - on consignment.  Got a PPI from a very, very highly
> recommended mechanic.  He took the car home overnight, did compression
> (hey, it's a older car....), and a bunch of tests.  40 miles of
> highway and stop and go city traffic.  Called with the results.  Now,
> this guy is Italian, has an accent.  Said "It's a gooda car".  I said
> "It's cheese?"
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> Ended up being a terrific car.  Ran really well, after a bit of
> tuning, it pulled 225 *wheel* HP, which I thought was outstanding for
> a 2 valve carb car.
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> 2.  Maserati QP - Sport GTS.  Hmmmm.......  Bought from a Maserati
> dealer.  Would not recommend them.  Got tons of run-around.  They even
> pulled a full credit report on me, which pissed me off because it was
> a cash transaction.  Would not give service history, because
> supposedly it violated California privacy laws to potentially divulge
> prior owners.
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> But.....  Car got a comprehensive service: rotors and pads, all
> filters, new Pirelli PZeros (is that a good thing?), and lots of other
> stuff.  Charged me for a LoJack system, which I vehemently said I
> didn't want.  Turns out they never installed it, and I got a refund
> months later.  Whatever.  But it has been a superb car.  Done several
> lengthy road trips with zero - as in no, none - problems.  Doing
> another 1800 mile trip next week.  Italian Limo!
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> Hans.
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> On 6/3/19, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bought one Ferrari from an authorized dealer, one from a Lamborghini
>> dealer
>> one from a private party.  All were properly represented.  Bentley was an
>> exotic dealer from CA, price was representative of condition.  Rolls
>> Royce
>> was an eBay deal and I was pleasantly surprised.  Mercedes and Porsche
>> were
>> bored nights looking at Craigslist.  The latter is where cars with
>> stories
>> go to die.
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>> Short list of what I still wouldn't kick out of the garage is an 88.5 TR,
>> Continental R or T (would like one of the Le Mans spec cars) and maybe an
>> Azure to replace the Panzerwagen.  Will wait for a Clyde type deal, but
>> again, I can live with out them, so I'm not going to lose sleep if it
>> doesn't happen.
>>
>> Next step is building a lake house first, there is no more room at the
>> inn...
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>> On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 10:18 AM Charles Perry <charles [at] 
>> carolinasound.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> For exotics, I've had four iterations:
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>>> a) Private Seller, with PPI
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>>> b) Private Seller, without PPI
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>>> c) Private Seller, with PPI & paperwork through dealership
>>>
>>> d) Dealership, sort of without PPI
>>>
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>>>
>>> They all turned out fine, although like Larry I did have a problem
>>> letting
>>> an out-of-town mechanic who did the PPI then do a major service on (a).
>>> I
>>> would not do that again. I saved the transport money by letting an
>>> out-of-town guy do an overdue major on my TR and then took a Greyhound
>>> (yup!) to pick it up and drive it home. Took two extra months and found
>>> much later that some parts that were on my bill never made it onto my
>>> car.
>>> So I would do whatever it takes to get the car home and let your own
>>> mechanic do the work so you have easy recourse if it's ever an issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You're always going to find a few details that aren't sorted, or at
>>> least
>>> aren't sorted to your standard. List wisdom has always been to make sure
>>> you have a slush fund saved outside of the purchase price of the car to
>>> address those. I don't feel like any of my sellers, private or dealer,
>>> intentionally hid something from me. Just that I'm a perfectionist with
>>> my
>>> cars and not everyone is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Buying is usually harder from a private seller because they have an
>>> emotional attachment to the car and to their investment in the car, so
>>> getting them to accept the realities of the market can take a while.
>>> Dealerships aren't emotionally attached but know all the tricks to
>>> squeeze
>>> your emotions/wallet on the purchase.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On my Aston and my Diablo purchases, I wanted a specific chassis/VIN, so
>>> my objectivity was compromised. I may have overpaid a bit, but I got
>>> exactly what I wanted with no regrets. On the Ferraris it was easier
>>> because "there's always another car out there."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously I recommend a PPI to anyone. The deals I've made where I
>>> skipped
>>> it were based on my trust of the seller in one case, and in the
>>> dealership
>>> service department having recently gone through the car before it was
>>> traded in the other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I think both ways have plusses and minuses and you just need to do
>>> your
>>> best to let your brain make the decision and not other parts that get
>>> involved when staring at a shiny new toy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- charles
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From:* Ferrari [mailto:ferrari-bounces+charles=
>>> carolinasound.com [at] ferrarilist.com] *On Behalf Of *Clarence Romero Jr.
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 03, 2019 8:05 AM
>>> *To:* Charles Perry
>>> *Cc:* The FerrariList
>>> *Subject:* [Ferrari] How or where to buy a used Ferrari
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>>>
>>>
>>> Ok seen having done it both ways (don’t go go there Erik, I am warning
>>> you!)
>>>
>>> I would like to hear from the guys out there
>>>
>>> Including those who don’t post what was the best experience ?
>>>
>>> Dealer, independent, private owner, eBay?
>>>
>>> The 512 I bought from a authorized dealer  car had no squawks was code
>>> one
>>> other than a windshield that I had them replace
>>>
>>> The 575 got a deal on it I have some small issues
>>>
>>> It was an independent dealer I use to work there
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>>> Seats ( got them to work loose connections)
>>>
>>> Slightly bent rim( repair when I get back from YUL)
>>>
>>> Seeping transmission ( nothing serious)
>>>
>>> Brake cooling ducts( same shit with the TR, cheap Italian paper)
>>>
>>> Some small window trim issues
>>>
>>> Those with 550/575 can contact me privately I will tell them where to
>>> look
>>> it’s very inconspicuous on this, like really stealth
>>>
>>> And a missing inspection panel left front wheel well, which I can’t find
>>> the part # for neither can one of the most experienced parts guys on the
>>> planet !
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>>>
>>>
>>> So let’s hear from the gallery on which way would you buy your next
>>> Ferrari in the future
>>>
>>> eBay
>>>
>>> Cars.com
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>>> Autotrader
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>>>
>>> Off to Montreal for the GP
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>>>
>>>      RF4-4EVR
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>>>
>>> Scars are Tattoos with better stories !
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>>> If you have no enemies, you have no character !
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>>>
>>> Clyde Romero
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