Ferrari Mailing List: Re: The Ferrari 348 is Actually Quite Good (As Long as It's From the Right Y...

[Rick Moseley (ramosel]

Why yes...  yes I have!   Inverted at Mach 2.  

But there ARE exceptions to your statement as well.   At the snack bar for a mid-week test day at Sears (1997ish ) a few of us had lunch with Austin Coil.   Having just sat In John Force’s car on a startup... on jack-stands...  I told him I didn’t think I would ever want to drive it.   He laughed and  rattled off some line about “I wouldn’t get out of the electric chair if it meant I had to drive that thing.”    I agreed.  That was the most visceral connection to a machine I ever had and I didn’t like it.  Never moved an inch... but I’m sure it wanted to kill me.    

On Feb 9, 2021, at 04:46, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Have you flown a proper stick airplane and take it inverted yet?

Once you do, cars, even the fast and exotic ones will drop to the meh end of the dial.  And for $50k, you can pretty much do anything in the acrobatic manual...

https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?category_level1=Single+Engine+Piston&make=YAKOVLEV&model=YAK+52&listing_id=2389652&s-type=aircraft

But be warned, once you go this way, cars will just be cars.  I can’t tell you the number of F18 instructor pilots I know that drive a Prius because they just don’t care about cars anymore.

On Feb 8, 2021, at 10:12 PM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

I agree on the karting but what about those of us who like to drive the cars fast?

Everyone should enjoy their car the way they want but 30mph to Home Depot is not my idea of exotic car fun.

Back to the magazine testing...

It would be nice to see a testing method more suited to exotics.

At least, laptimes at a regular “control” circuit that would allow for proper comparisons.

Road and Track did a lot of shootouts between various performance cars back in the day. Usually, these were done at Willow Springs.

The data included times and speeds through various track segments which were nice to see.

Motor Trend thankfully includes a Randy Pobst power lap at Laguna Seca (and other tracks) which helps.

On Feb 8, 2021, at 21:28, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Nonsense.  They’re just cars after all.  Every single one of my Ferraris has made the Home Depot run in our ownership.

Besides, if you really use these things routinely, you’re going to average what, 30 mph around town anyway?

And you know better, if you really are going to track something, a $30k Formula blah blah open wheel car will absolutely destroy a street car.  I found a shifter kart more exciting than a 430 Challenge, but that’s just me.

On Feb 8, 2021, at 6:56 PM, Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:

Erik, what never made sense to me was how a magazine could test a minivan using the same criteria as a Ferrari.

There should be a different protocol at a track venue strictly for exotics or performance cars.

Fuel economy loops in a V12 Lambo with six carbs?

I never understood that...

On Feb 8, 2021, at 18:41, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Hmm, TSLA closed at $863.42 today.  That’s a P/E of 1349.09.

Value?

What a quaint 20th century concept...

On Feb 8, 2021, at 3:25 PM, Lashdeep Singh via Ferrari <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> wrote:

Larry, good point but an “average“ driver is not typically interested in an exotic car/manufacturer and vice versa.

Honestly, the cars that got reviewed badly in period are often the most exciting and valuable today.

I remember reading one of the big automotive magazines complaining about the location of auxiliary switches as an indictment of a particular Italian exotic’s overall design.

I thought to myself - why this guy fumbling around for the radio fader at 130mph??

Oh wait, he is prob in a Los Angeles traffic jam where the race inspired chassis means very little.

Hmm...

On Feb 8, 2021, at 15:18, Larry Bard <larrybard [at] hotmail.com> wrote:



Might not one argue that in some respects a review by an "average driver" would be far more relevant to a prospective purchaser who was also an "average driver" than a review by a seasoned, professional race car driver?

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Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 12:32 PM

. . . . How do you take a driving review of a vehicle from someone who has the training and skill of the average driver?

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