Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Mega OT: Hobbyist rocket reaches 293k ft

[Hans E. Hansen (FList]

It was a Tripoli sanctioned launch event.  They have been meeting at
Black Rock for decades, routinely launching stuff to over 100k.  This
event had about 100 participants.

This particular rocket is catching the attention of others in the
hobby because it was the first launch over 200k that didn't have a
mega budget and a team of dozens.  Also, it's the first Class 2 rocket
(under 40960 Ns total impulse) to accomplish this.  However, when
Tripoli saw what he was doing, they made him jump through all the
Class 3 hoops anyway.

Doing a quick look at Tripoli regs, it says that Class 3 or flights
over 100k need to go through an approval process by the FAA.

Hans.

On 10/5/22, Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>  Having worked in that world...  It's a completely different set or
> rules/regs over FL600 (~60K) above class A.
>
>     On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 09:12:35 AM PDT, Hans E. Hansen
> <flist [at] hanshansen.org> wrote:
>
>  You're over thinking.
> The rules for this activity are very clear. From a technical standpoint, the
> rocket must pass design and construction inspections. Took 2 years for this
> guy to design and get approval. Oddly enough, the feds allow amateur rockets
> to be self policing, by the NAR and Tripoli.
> As for the flight, different launch areas have different clearances. Black
> Rock Desert is one of the very few with an unlimited ceiling.
> I've been to Brothers, OR where they have a 20k ceiling, but that can be
> extended to 50k briefly by calling the FAA. I've stood beside the guy who
> made the call shortly before someone put one up to 32k.
> Hans.
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2022, 9:33 PM Rick Moseley <ramosel [at] pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Amateur, uhhhh, yep.   Had this happened in the 50s or 60s, way cool.  But
> you’re looking the same direction I was thinking.   Was this registered with
> the FAA (I have a niece, lawyer type, who works on this stuff after leaving
> NASA).   Was CINCNORAD notified?   Something entering NAS at Mach 4 got
> someone’s attention.   If it was all registered, all is good.  If it wasn’t,
> there will be a knock on the door and questions asked.  Even at only 4°
> deviation, that’s 20,500ft (4 miles) off line at apogee… wind direction,
> descent velocity, cross section, nearest habitation?  This could go from too
> cool to really dumb in a heartbeat.
> Not like school kids launching an Estes.
>
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2022, at 9:05 PM, Erik Nielsen <judge4re [at] gmail.com> wrote:
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> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2008/12/04/E8-28703/requirements-for-amateur-rocket-activities
> He’s still an amateur…
>
> On Oct 4, 2022, at 8:43 PM, Peter Rychel <dino308gt4 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> Damn that is cool.
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>
> What does it take to launch and fly a rocket? I mean, this is serious crap.
> Surely it must take clearance from the military to do something like this
> (or do you just do a Kim Jong-un and fire it anyways?).
>
>
>
> Peter
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> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> From: Hans E. Hansen
> Sent: October 4, 2022 11:57 AM
> To: PeterGT4
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] Mega OT: Hobbyist rocket reaches 293k ft
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> https://www.rocketryforum.com/threads/project-mesos-a-two-stage-flight-to-293-488-ft.175175/
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