Ferrari Mailing List: Re: 355 maniflod & valve issues,any 360 issues?

[LS (lashdeep]

My Countach was the first of the Chrysler years and it was improved over
the early cars. It actually had a wiring diagram in existence which was
not present before (at least in any form of entiriety). Overall the car
was on par with a mid 70's Ferrari in terms of build quality. What I
remember most were that fasteners were very cheap. There were lots of self
tapping screws instead of dedicated pieces.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing, just an observation when comparing to
a comparable year TR. 

I think the Chrysler takeover offered many advantages in the electrical
department and that may have made a big impression in terms of overall
"reliability".

I've only spent time driving a few Diablos (CG's, and a 6.0) and I think
that they've improved in terms of refinement and on paper performance as
the years go on. But that's only good for a Lexus or Honda. I'd say that
Charles' VT and the SE30 was the pinnacle for Lambo. All the new stuff
(Murci-G) has a different tree hugging, litigation swerving feel to it.

LS



--- "Charles G. Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com> wrote:

> My Diablo is a 99, which means the real engineering behind it took place
> 
> during the Chrysler ownership of Lamborghini. I suspect this helped a
> lot of 
> things in the same way that Ford ownership helped Jaguar. Having a big 
> company with some testing standards and some idea of how to head off 
> warranty costs can be a good thing for a small manufacturer.
> 
> The only known issue that I know of for late Diablos is that the clutch
> rod 
> at the slave cylinder fatigues and breaks, which does strand you. But
> the 
> replacement part is only like $140. I have only done a little work on
> the 
> Diablo in the two years I've had it (it's basically needed nothing
> besides 
> some connections jiggled/Stabilant 22), but in that time it strikes me
> that 
> everything I've encountered is more solidly built and from better
> materials 
> than the 355. Perhaps the 355 leans a little too far into the F1 formula
> of 
> things - make it just solid enough to last the next race.
> 
> I also think, since they've had a waiting list for as long as anyone can
> 
> remember, that Ferrari has no impetus to improve their materials or 
> processes. They're perfectly happy to deliver a 90% engineered car,
> knowing 
> that 90% of their production will be out of warranty by the time
> problems 
> are discovered. I think this has been better since the 360 debuted, but
> I 
> don't have personal knowledge of any later cars besides what I read here
> and 
> on FChat. Since Lambo has had to work harder for their customers, they
> are 
> more intent on retaining them and so are more responsive to service
> issues 
> and material quality.
> 
> -- charles
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> To: "Charles G. Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 355 maniflod & valve issues,any 360 issues?
> 
> 
> > Nice and compact posting CP.  Thanks.  Um, why do you sense Lambo is 
> > better build quality?  Better factory conditions?  Fewer cars clamored
> for 
> > and therefore the assembly line is not so fast? (gotta love ol Henry
> Ford 
> > and his rheostat that could speed up the very early Ford assembly line
> - 
> > heh heh)  Just the way it is?
> >
> > Also - having never driven a 355, so have never had to pay attention
> to 
> > blind spots, how is the 355 GTB?  What about the Lambos?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > DOUG
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Charles G. Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
> > To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> > Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] 355 maniflod & valve issues,any 360 issues?
> >
> >
> >>I have experienced every known 355 issue except the valve guide
> problem:
> >> 1) Melted headers (rebuilt by QVLondon)
> >> 2) Bad seat sensors (3 times, spiders only)
> >> 3) Leaking shocks (rebuilt by Delta V)
> >> 4) Melting interior (will probably replace with Valence carbon fiber)
> >> 5) Alternator Issue (ground strap added)
> >>
> >> Plus a couple that are rare:
> >> 1) Broken timing belt (my fault for waiting so long)
> >> 2) Broken valve springs (bad luck)
> >>
> >> Luckily all of the common problems have been irritating but not 
> >> disabling,
> >> but if I were shopping for a 355 I would either make sure the above 
> >> issues
> >> have been addressed or I would put aside a serious chunk of change
> for
> >> addressing them. I will probably have spent $10k on stuff to make
> this 
> >> car
> >> the way Ferrari should have made it by the time I'm done. If you
> count 
> >> the
> >> rare items, more like $25k.
> >>
> >> I still love the car, but if I had it to do over again I would
> probably 
> >> wait
> >> another couple of years and buy a depreciated Gallardo spider. My 
> >> experience
> >> with my Diablo leads me to believe Lamborghini is head and shoulders 
> >> above
> >> Ferrari in terms of build quality and engineering. Flame on!
> >>
> >> -- charles
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Robert Rehkopf" <CaptRehkopf [at] msn.com>
> >> To: "Charles G Perry IV" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:47 AM
> >> Subject: [Ferrari] 355 maniflod & valve issues,any 360 issues? Hate
> to 
> >> see
> >> Rick go! Talladega is about Ferriari's,Your City
> >>
> >>
> >>> Although for many years I have said the next RehkopfMobile will be a
> >>> Yellow/Black 355 GTS, I knew about both these issues. However, how
> >>> pervasive are they? Should I start thinking 360? Are there 360
> issues 
> >>> too?
> >>> I haven't heard because this wonderful List and the Listers
> knowledge 
> >>> has
> >>> been missing from my life.
> >>> I hate to see Rick go!
> >>> Talladega has everything to do with Ferrari's!
> >>> My City is no different than yours, it only takes one crime for it
> to be
> >>> personal, and every City has a crime.
> >>> Thank You
> >>>
> >>> Robert Rehkopf
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