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[philville (philville]

I am not certain if you are discussing full size ships or models.
I have a hand built B17 that I have owned for +- 10 years.
It has about a 7' wingspan is radio controlled and is powered by 4 wankle type 
motors.
I purchased it from a hobby shop in suburban Phila. when they were closing 
their doors. I beleieve that it was on display in their store for 30+ years.
The story I was given is that it was scratch built by a WWII vet. who was a 
crew member on a similar ship, possibly of the same name "Kwitchurbitchin II". 
As the story grows, no one was ever able to confirm that it had been flown or 
who the builder was.
The defunct hobby shop had gone through a series of owners during their 
ownership of the model, and no one had anything but oral history which was 
truly minimal.
I have been told by some older local enthusiastts that either 1) he had taken 
it out to fly taxied it and lost his nerve. 2) That he actually did fly it one 
time and was so frightened over the potential of his loss (esimated and 
suggseted build time 5000 + hours) that he never flew it again.
Apparently upon his death guesstimate late 50's early 60's his widow or his 
survivng family gave the ship to the then owner of the hobby shop who was the 
deceaseds best friend. He hung it on display where it stayed until I purchased 
it.
That owner died about 25 years ago and was apparently the only link to any 
history.

While I have owned it, I have turned the motors a couple of times a month and 
displayed it in various offices and shops that I have had it is a remarkable 
piece of history and it appears to be as authentic as could be reasoably 
expected under the circumstances.

I no longer have a place to properly display Kwichurbitchin II", and would like 
to sell her, I have no idea of value.

I do not know that she could ever fly, or fly again, but I would love to see it 
happen, how ever, I do not have all of the radio equipment ( I believe that all 
the onboard electronics are there but have never opened the bomb bay doors to 
check it out. The landing gear is radio retractable it appears to have many 
operational ident and nav lights but again I do not know.

If any of you would like to communicate with me about her, please do so off 
list. I will be happy to post pics (I am a lousy photog) but I do have them on 
file.

When I look at her, she looks to me to be exactly what I would have seen on 
some British airfield in "42, 3 or 4"" returning from some sortie. 

I know that selling her is probably a mistake, but I would love to see her 
prperly displayed an even flown if there is some one qualified to do so.

Thanks, Phil
From: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Date: 2006/12/09 Sat PM 12:59:18 EST
To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Experience with a Kit Car Owner

Britt asked:<<Hey, does anybody make flying replicas of WWII aircraft? Now that 
would be neat! Would you car guys feel the same way about a carefully made 
P38/Mustang/B24 flying replica
as you would a car? What >>

Hi Britt,
Yep.  the fighter planes are available at least.  The 4 engined bombers are not 
being reproduced AFAIK - probably the complexity keeps interest low but there 
is 1 (only) flying B29 and a (very) few B24s and B17s.  But there's lots to 
choose from in WW2 fighters.  The Mustang is very popular with several 
full-sized and 2/3 size replica kits being offered.  The FW190 is also very 
popular as it was a high performance plane like the P51 and had very attractive 
lines.  The P38 is also available along with the F4U Corsair.   I believe the 
Storch kit is produced in Australia - the Storch was a long-legged (tall 
landing gear) German reconnaissance aircraft that can fly in as little as 20 
kts (!!) of breeze making it incredibly easy to land and take off - at least 
the speeds are low.  For the truely adventurous there are helicopter kits!

I believe the OshKosh FlyIn has a special section for kit/Experimental aircraft.

The P51 is the Cobra of the airplane kit crowd. 

All these are intended to be experimental home builts and can be built using a 
variety of engines.  Not sure if any Me-262s are being offered but several Migs 
are usually offered for sale at any time.  Since they run on kerosene they're 
pretty cheap to fly - don;t know how the spare parts business is though - 

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Britt2Asa [at] aol.com 
  To: l02turner [at] comcast.net 
  Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com 
  Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Experience with a Kit Car Owner


  But of course the MG was AVAILABLE with a V8 here in the UK, my neighbor has 
one and its a MGC so unless you want to argue that its not the original type V8 
its not that big a step as they were produced at the factory that way.

  Didn't the lowly Alpine contribute to the original Cobra design where the big 
V8 was shovelled into the little British chassie?

  On eof the neat things about living in the UK is the huge number of very 
small motor manufacturers that exist or use to exist here....Bristols, TVRs 
(until two months ago), Lotus, Noble, Jenson (which comes and goes every year), 
ect.

  True these are not really replicas of OTHER cars (and I understand that 
point) but I think there is a fine line between a replica car (minus its 
badges) and a "genuine" car with modifications......Wouldn't a MGB with a V8 
added really be a replica of an MGC? 

  Its interesting to see the way people feel about these things. I do find it 
funny that a person who copies a type of boat as close as possible (maybe the 
hull design and layout work has already been done but they want it out of steel 
for instances) would never call their boat a "replica" no matter how close it 
looks to the genuine thing. I wonder if its because boats are still largely 
handmade and many people don't know the difference between them?

  Hey, does anybody make flying replicas of WWII aircraft? Now that would be 
neat! Would you car guys feel the same way about a carefully made 
P38/Mustang/B24 flying replica
  as you would a car? What if it was a type of plane that there were none left 
in flying condition or say the only one was in the Smithsonian so that the only 
way you or your kids could experience the sight and sound of that aircraft was 
with a replica. You wouldn't wear a fake Rolex but would you look at and admire 
a replica plane?

  Britt


    Many MGB owners prefer a V8 because 
    of the wonder burble that comes with a bog ol 'merican V8.





  BR in the UK
  1986 328GTS (LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury UK
  1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles) 
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