Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Aircraft

[Rick Lindsay (rolindsay]

I second Larry's suggestion.  I was a volunteer at the Tulsa Air and Space 
Museum when I lived there.  ANY air and space museum would love to have it and 
as YOU rate its value, it would make a nice hefty year-end charitable 
deduction.  Besides, it deserves to be appreciated.

  rick
  
LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:
  Hi Phil,

I know you said to keep this offline but I;d like to hear others comments 
about my suggestion below -

That sounds like an incredible model with a huge amount of history 
attached to it.

If possible, instead of selling perhaps you would consider donating it to 
the Smithsonian Air & Space or one of NASA's Air & Space museums? I've been 
to the Smith and to the NASA A&S in Hampton Va (I suspect they have several) 
and that would allow many people to enjoy the craftsmanship.

I believe it's too valuable to fly - although I guess the same argument can 
be made for driving old Ferrari's in historic races. And of course, if it 
were destroyed t could be rebuilt, but the cost would be dramatic.

I'd love to own it and would like to see photos - but I think the public 
would like to see it also -

BTW, I saw a B25 of similar proportions and the detail was amazing - there 
was a pilot figure and he even had a scratch pad on his pants leg above the 
knee - just like the real thing. Saw it at a air show at Langley AFB in 
Hampton Va in the 60s. but it didn;t fly as it was too valuable according to 
the owner. Understandable.

Thanks for sharing -- 
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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To: "LarryT" ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: Aircraft


>I am not certain if you are discussing full size ships or models.
> I have a hand built B17 that I have owned for +- 10 years.
> It has about a 7' wingspan is radio controlled and is powered by 4 wankle 
> type motors.
> I purchased it from a hobby shop in suburban Phila. when they were closing 
> their doors. I beleieve that it was on display in their store for 30+ 
> years.
> The story I was given is that it was scratch built by a WWII vet. who was 
> a crew member on a similar ship, possibly of the same name 
> "Kwitchurbitchin II". As the story grows, no one was ever able to confirm 
> that it had been flown or who the builder was.
> The defunct hobby shop had gone through a series of owners during their 
> ownership of the model, and no one had anything but oral history which was 
> truly minimal.
> I have been told by some older local enthusiastts that either 1) he had 
> taken it out to fly taxied it and lost his nerve. 2) That he actually did 
> fly it one time and was so frightened over the potential of his loss 
> (esimated and suggseted build time 5000 + hours) that he never flew it 
> again.
> Apparently upon his death guesstimate late 50's early 60's his widow or 
> his survivng family gave the ship to the then owner of the hobby shop who 
> was the deceaseds best friend. He hung it on display where it stayed until 
> I purchased it.
> That owner died about 25 years ago and was apparently the only link to any 
> history.
>
> While I have owned it, I have turned the motors a couple of times a month 
> and displayed it in various offices and shops that I have had it is a 
> remarkable piece of history and it appears to be as authentic as could be 
> reasoably expected under the circumstances.
>
> I no longer have a place to properly display Kwichurbitchin II", and would 
> like to sell her, I have no idea of value.
>
> I do not know that she could ever fly, or fly again, but I would love to 
> see it happen, how ever, I do not have all of the radio equipment ( I 
> believe that all the onboard electronics are there but have never opened 
> the bomb bay doors to check it out. The landing gear is radio retractable 
> it appears to have many operational ident and nav lights but again I do 
> not know.
>
> If any of you would like to communicate with me about her, please do so 
> off list. I will be happy to post pics (I am a lousy photog) but I do have 
> them on file.
>
> When I look at her, she looks to me to be exactly what I would have seen 
> on some British airfield in "42, 3 or 4"" returning from some sortie.
>
> I know that selling her is probably a mistake, but I would love to see her 
> prperly displayed an even flown if there is some one qualified to do so.
>
> Thanks, Phil
> From: "LarryT" 
> Date: 2006/12/09 Sat PM 12:59:18 EST
> To: Phil Tegtmeier 

> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Experience with a Kit Car Owner
>
> Britt asked:<> that would be neat! Would you car guys feel the same way about 
> a carefully 
> made P38/Mustang/B24 flying replica
> as you would a car? What >>
>
> Hi Britt,
> Yep. the fighter planes are available at least. The 4 engined bombers 
> are not being reproduced AFAIK - probably the complexity keeps interest 
> low but there is 1 (only) flying B29 and a (very) few B24s and B17s. But 
> there's lots to choose from in WW2 fighters. The Mustang is very popular 
> with several full-sized and 2/3 size replica kits being offered. The 
> FW190 is also very popular as it was a high performance plane like the P51 
> and had very attractive lines. The P38 is also available along with the 
> F4U Corsair. I believe the Storch kit is produced in Australia - the 
> Storch was a long-legged (tall landing gear) German reconnaissance 
> aircraft that can fly in as little as 20 kts (!!) of breeze making it 
> incredibly easy to land and take off - at least the speeds are low. For 
> the truely adventurous there are helicopter kits!
>
> I believe the OshKosh FlyIn has a special section for kit/Experimental 
> aircraft.
>
> The P51 is the Cobra of the airplane kit crowd.
>
> All these are intended to be experimental home builts and can be built 
> using a variety of engines. Not sure if any Me-262s are being offered but 
> several Migs are usually offered for sale at any time. Since they run on 
> kerosene they're pretty cheap to fly - don;t know how the spare parts 
> business is though -
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Britt2Asa [at] aol.com
> To: l02turner [at] comcast.net
> Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] My Experience with a Kit Car Owner
>
>
> But of course the MG was AVAILABLE with a V8 here in the UK, my neighbor 
> has one and its a MGC so unless you want to argue that its not the 
> original type V8 its not that big a step as they were produced at the 
> factory that way.
>
> Didn't the lowly Alpine contribute to the original Cobra design where the 
> big V8 was shovelled into the little British chassie?
>
> On eof the neat things about living in the UK is the huge number of very 
> small motor manufacturers that exist or use to exist here....Bristols, 
> TVRs (until two months ago), Lotus, Noble, Jenson (which comes and goes 
> every year), ect.
>
> True these are not really replicas of OTHER cars (and I understand that 
> point) but I think there is a fine line between a replica car (minus its 
> badges) and a "genuine" car with modifications......Wouldn't a MGB with a 
> V8 added really be a replica of an MGC?
>
> Its interesting to see the way people feel about these things. I do find 
> it funny that a person who copies a type of boat as close as possible 
> (maybe the hull design and layout work has already been done but they want 
> it out of steel for instances) would never call their boat a "replica" no 
> matter how close it looks to the genuine thing. I wonder if its because 
> boats are still largely handmade and many people don't know the difference 
> between them?
>
> Hey, does anybody make flying replicas of WWII aircraft? Now that would 
> be neat! Would you car guys feel the same way about a carefully made 
> P38/Mustang/B24 flying replica
> as you would a car? What if it was a type of plane that there were none 
> left in flying condition or say the only one was in the Smithsonian so 
> that the only way you or your kids could experience the sight and sound of 
> that aircraft was with a replica. You wouldn't wear a fake Rolex but would 
> you look at and admire a replica plane?
>
> Britt
>
>
> Many MGB owners prefer a V8 because
> of the wonder burble that comes with a bog ol 'merican V8.
>
>
>
>
>
> BR in the UK
> 1986 328GTS (LHD 89,940km) Died August 19, 2006 Shrewsbury UK
> 1980 400i (RHD 72,000 miles)
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