Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Changing water pump

[Dave Handa (dave]

Wow, the list gets longer, but check the fuel hoses too.  In particular the
fuel filler neck hose that goes from the fuel filler to the left side fuel
tank. They rarely get checked until they are leaking, and the fuel will leak
right onto the forward exhaust manifold...and since this is during filling,
that exhaust manifold is HOT.

Just remember, even the "newest" 308 is now 22 years old!

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: misc [at] 308systems.com [mailto:misc [at] 308systems.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:25 PM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Changing water pump

As long as you are future planning a "major service", I highly recommend
replacing ALL the hoses you can find.  I have an 85 308, and in '97 while
in the middle of a tuning session, from all the steam, I thought the
engine exploded - turns out the factory hose blew a hole right near the
intake next to the tunnel.  Right then and there, I decided to replace
every old hose with new Gates green/gold stripe and have been a happy
camper since.  Of course, as you get the car apart, you will find other
small maintenance items to replace, but at the end of the odyssey you will
have a sound car that YOU know was correctly maintained.

Mark Lueker
85 308


> Great tips on the pump rebuild. I, myself, have a serious case of
> perfectionist's disease. I traced an oil leak in an Audi to a cam seal and
> ended up doing valve cover gaskets and replacing half of the crankcase
> breather system simply because I was in there and the items were very
> cheap.
>
> I can't stand wasting a labor intensive disassembly process.
>
> LS
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jeff Greenfield <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 2:25:40 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Changing water pump
>
>
> There is one other issue regarding the 308/328 water pumps ... typically
> water pumps will make noise and/or leak giving plenty of warning that they
> are on the way out.
>
> This is not always the case with the water pumps on the 308/328 cars.
> There
> is one other failure mode ... the bearings seize with little to no
> warning.
> Considering how easy it is to get to the water pump, and it can easily be
> rebuilt it might be worth doing if there is no history and/or the car has
> been sitting for a long time. (the latter seems to increase the odds of
> the
> pump seizing)
>
> I believe that the parts to rebuild the pump are less than $200.00 (US),
> and
> this can easily be done yourself with basic hand tools. Just be careful to
> keep track of where the parts go, and their orientation. There is one
> cupped
> washer in there that is easy to lose track of which way it faces.
>
> Yes, these things can easily snow ball. I've got a car (not an F-car) in
> the
> shop right now that has a dent in the fender that the owner wanted fixed.
> Well this lead to a discussion of painting the whole car, so I am
> disassembling the car in preparation for the shop that is going to do the
> paintwork. In the process of doing this, I found some pretty serious rust
> issues hiding behind some plastic trim. Now the car is going to need some
> serious re-construction whose cost will probably be close to the value of
> the car by the time all is said and done, sigh.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:52 PM
> To: Jeff Greenfield
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Changing water pump
>
> Any noise or weeping to indicate a problem? Can you move the shaft side to
> side indicating any excessive tolerance? If not and you do plan on a major
> soon, I'd say forget it.
>
> But, while you're in there...you might as well replace to avoid a
> surprise.
> If it were an older collectible car where date codes and originality are
> paramount, I'd remove the original part, have it rebuilt and save it.
> Since
> we're talking about 328s, this may not be a concern for you.
>
> I had a leaking rear differential cover turn into a major suspension
> upgrade
> including coilovers as a result of the "while you are in there" mentality.
>
> It can get pricey! :)
>
> Regarding materials for car parts and/or music, the answer is always
> METAL!
>
> Good luck,
>
> LS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rui Gigante <rui.gigante [at] gmail.com>
> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 12:34:18 PM
> Subject: [Ferrari] Changing water pump
>
>
> Hi listers,
>
> I'm considering changing the water pump on my 328, while I'm at it. I
> can't
> find in the records when it was last changed and it sure looks like it's
> there for a long time!
> The car does not overheat, far from it.
>
> Any advice as to:
>
> - change it and forget about it
> - any issues about getting a new one ? (plastic vs metalic propeler, etc)
> - leave it and change it next year, together with the belts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rui
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