Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Off Topic -- No Ferrari Content -- NFC

[LarryT (l02turner]

Thanks Charles (and Ken) --

   I should have mentioned the house was built in 1974 and before we bought 
it in 1987 there was no GFI's - I installed one in each bathroom but found 
later they're daisy-chained so the 2nd was un-necessary.  I'm not very 
knowledgable about electrical stuff - I was nearly killed as a electricians 
helper working on the carrier US JFK - a 44V panel was turned off and 
covered with red tags saying the equipment was being repaired by shipyard 
personel (like me) ;-)  and the cables were hanging out of the side of the 
box and had been cut but the ends were not taped.  I was sitting there 
waiting to help my electician and happened to touch the tip of my 
screwdriver to one of the cables - an explosion followed pretty quickly ;-) 
and the screwdriver melted and motlen metal went inside my show burning my 
foot.  Some Navy personel had turned something back on - even with the red 
tags - and a big investigation followed.
After that I decided to find employment in a different department.

  Anyway - back to the present -- Next I'll replace the outlets themselves 
1st and if that doesn't fix things it may be what you and Ken suggested - 
something behind the main panel or the breaker itself is bad.

   If things get anymore complicated than the replacing the outlets I'll 
call in a professional.

   Thanks to ya'll I now have a plan of attack - I really appreciate the 
time you've taken to suggest possibilities.

Sincerely -- 

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Perry" <charles [at] carolina-sound.com>
To: "LarryT" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] Off Topic -- No Ferrari Content -- NFC


Larry -

Daisy-chaining outlets is the standard.

Based on your description of the problem, my expectation is that you
have another GFI outlet somewhere in the house which has tripped. In
order to save money, electricians don't place a GFI outlet in every
place that one might be needed. Instead, they place a GFI outlet at the
beginning of the daisy-chain, and then that outlet serves as the GFI
breaker for all outlets further down the chain.

I had a problem just like yours when I had my house pressure washed.
After the wash, I no longer had power to any of my porch outlets, none
of which were GFI. The breaker was fine. After searching for about two
days, I found another GFI outlet in my garage hidden behind my large
roll-around toolbox. This GFI was in front of the porch outlets on that
circuit, so when the pressure washer sprayed the outlet on the porch,
the garage GFI tripped before the main breaker. As I said, I had to look
a LONG time to find that outlet. That garage outlet had no physical
proximity to the porch outlets, so there was nothing to suggest the
relationship. Electricians can do whatever they want as far as
organizing outlet wiring, so you may have to check every one in the
house looking for another GFI.

The other thing you can do is use a voltmeter to make sure there is
power leaving the breaker for the bedroom. It is possible that the
breaker itself is bad. However, if you have little or no experience with
high-voltage, call an electrician. Your life is worth a lot more than a
$70 service call.

Cheers!

-- charles



-----Original Message-----
From: LarryT [mailto:l02turner [at] comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 11:23 AM
To: Charles Perry
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Off Topic -- No Ferrari Content -- NFC

Howdy --
   Sorry about the Off Topic question - but I know I can count on
ya;ll, The wall oitlets in the Master Bedroom have lost all power.  Last
evening, we were getting ready for bed and noticed the TV in our BR was
turned off.
Found out all the wall outlets (4) were depowered (if that's a word).  I
checked the circuit breaker - turned it completely off then back on -
without any change.  Checked the GFI in the 2 bathrooms and both are ok
and both outlets are providing power.

   I can only think the wiring to the outlets is "daisy-chained" and
the 1st in the link in the BR is bad - broken outlet, loose wire or some
other problem with one outlet.  Without a wiring diagram I have no way
of knowing which is 1st in the chain - although some logic tells me it
one of 2 possibilities out of 4 total outlets - thinking the 2 "middle"
outlets are unlikely to be the 1st in the chain.

   Is it common practice to daisy chain the wiring to outlets?

   Any ideas about what might have caused this?  The electrical devices
- clocks, phones, lamps, etc. were all on when my wife went into the
bathroom to shower - when she got out, the TV was off and she assumed I
had turned it off.

   Other than installing new outlets & I admit that's a long shot - I'm
at a loss.  Wish I knew more about electrical stuff --

TIA -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil
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