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Re: Ebay 308, thoughts
From: cdatte (cdattespawar.navy.mil)
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:28:49 -0700 (PDT) 
yes, there are the details.

At 01:15 PM 4/9/2007, Ric Rainbolt wrote: 
Ferrari's recall was targeted at engines that exhibited "excess oil
consumption". I guess most writers didn't bother to read the details.

RR

At 02:53 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
>most of the articles wrote it up as an oil thing.
>
>At 12:14 PM 4/9/2007, Steve Cook - CTO wrote:
> >Thanks Rick!
> >
> >Yeah, that's much more informative. Saying 308's "have oil consumption
> >problems" is misleading and confusing. Something like "2v 308's have a
> >possible ignition issue" would have been much more clear. I knew about the
> >ignition issue - but hadn't ever heard of it referred to as an oil
> >consumption issue :) heheheh
> >
> >Forza!
> >-steve
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ric Rainbolt [mailto:ricrain [at] airmail.net]
> >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 12:46 PM
> >To: scook [at] gear21.com
> >Cc: The FerrariList
> >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay 308, thoughts
> >
> >Ferrari issued a recall on a large number of
> >2-valve 308i engines. The problem was the
> >ignition connector from the Digiplex module that
> >resides on the left side of the engine bay. The
> >connection would become intermittent, and the
> >engine could run on 4-cylinders for significant
> >periods of time. Since the CIS flows full-time, a
> >loss of ignition would result in cylinder wash
> >from unburned gas washing the oil off the bores.
> >This resulted in rapid bore & ring wear, and
> >increased oil consumption followed. All engines
> >affected by this recall were replaced by the factory with replacement
> >motors.
> >
> >It has been my experience that all 2-valve 308's
> >burn a nominal amount of oil... more when the
> >revs are higher. At a track event, I would have
> >to add half a quart after approx 80-100 miles of
> >track time. In street driving, I'd typically add
> >about a quart every 1500 miles. This covers both the injected and carb
> >models.
> >
> >YMMV,
> >Ric Rainbolt
> >
> >
> >, At 01:08 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
> > >I think that Jeff is right on this. This has
> > >been discussed on FChat recently...
> > >
> > >Jim
> > >Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: "Jeff Greenfield" <coyote [at] acme-ltd.com>
> > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:04:04
> > >To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
> > >Cc:'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay 308, thoughts
> > >
> > >I believe that the issue was with the 2 valve injected cars, perhaps 80-82
> > >or so although I am not 100% sure.
> > >
> > >My 85 QV uses little to no oil FWIW.
> > >
> > >The type and weight of oil you use could also play a factor in oil
> > >consumption. Most 'modern' cars call for a ridiculously low viscosity oil.
> > >AFAIK this is for two reasons ... the tolerances are that much
> tighter, and
> > >a lighter oil will reduce internal losses thereby improving fuel economy.
> > >
> > >Certain older cars, (of which the 308 is one) will do better
> with a heavier
> > >oil such as 20w50 in most climates (unless you are driving it in sub zero
> > >temps).
> > >
> > >I think the owners manual for my QV specifies 10w50, this is an odd
> > >specification which is all but impossible to find, so I've been running a
> > >20/50 synthetic blend with no issues.
> > >
> > >Jeff
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Steve Cook - CTO [mailto:stevec [at] cheatcodes.com]
> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:51 PM
> > >To: Jeff Greenfield
> > >Cc: 'The FerrariList'
> > >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay 308, thoughts
> > >
> > >Howdy!
> > >
> > >Could you point me to where I might find some of this documentation? Mine
> > >burns a bit of oil, but much less than suggested in the owner's manual.
> > >Compression is great all around. In fact it burns less than the 84 911 I
> > >had which was also in good condition. I've talked to _many_ 308 owners and
> > >none ever mentioned of this being an issue.
> > >
> > >-steve
> > >84 308 GTSi QV Euro
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: cdatte [at] spawar.navy.mil [mailto:cdatte [at] spawar.navy.mil]
> > >Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:41 AM
> > >To: scook [at] gear21.com
> > >Cc: The FerrariList
> > >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay 308, thoughts
> > >
> > >the 308i's vs. the other 308 models are documented to be the worst
> > >oil burrners. Apparently they had lots of warrenty issues.
> > >
> > >At 10:12 AM 4/9/2007, clyde wrote:
> > > >Most if not all cars burn oil and if you look at the specs for a 308
> > > >it can use a lot of oil according to the book
> > > >
> > > >Clyde
> > > >Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: cdatte [at] spawar.navy.mil
> > > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 08:53:51
> > > >To:clyde <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> > > >Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ebay 308, thoughts
> > > >
> > > >these versions have bad oil consumption problems, you'd have to be
> >careful
> > > >At 07:05 AM 4/6/2007, Edward wrote:
> > > > >Sorry for some reason the link got cut off?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Ferrari-308-GTSi-QV-NEW-LEATH
> ER-Up-to-d
> > >a
> > > > >te-serv_W0QQitemZ330106300243
> > > > >
> > > > >on 4/5/07 1:12 PM, ferrari308 [at] verizon.net wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > With some of the first time buyer stories I've been reading
> > > > lately my fever
> > > > > > is getting the best of me. Any thoughts good or bad for
> this 308 QV
> > >on
> > > > > > eBay. What should be my purchase budget for this car. Nothing in
> > >Goggle
> > > > > > about it :-) really, well other than the CarFax ad link.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Edward
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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