Ferrari Mailing List: Re: GT-R vs. F355

[Dennis Liu (bigheaddennis]

The only way to get the Z06 motor to 650-700hp easily (and with some degree
of reliability) is with forced induction.  With naturally aspirated motors,
your only two real options are more displacement (see Viper), or more revs
(see 430).  Can't rev the pushrod motor that much more, and can't make the
motor much bigger without starting clean-sheet.  So forced induction - e.g.,
the new Z07/ZR-1/Blue Devil.  But you can't add a tested, reliable
turbo/supercharger system in that engine bay for $10k, AFAIK.

If you've got more info, would love to see it.

I know that some guys are trying turbo systems for the 360 to get some extra
horse, since that motor is about topped out in naturally aspirated form, 

As you probably know, most tuner cars running around in the real world with
>600hp have forced induction - Supras, 996tt, AMGs, etc.  Easy to do with
some new turbos and plumbing, software mods, and higher octane fuel.

vty,

--Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:41 AM
To: BigHeadDennis [at] gmail.com
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] GT-R vs. F355

10-4, understand the logic as a daily driver.

"And I bet that $10k will get 650-700hp easily, which is NOT possible with
the Z06..."

Are you sure? 

LS

----- Original Message ----
From: Dennis Liu <bigheaddennis [at] gmail.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 11:22:41 AM
Subject: RE: [Ferrari] GT-R vs. F355

Nope, deadly serious.

FWIW, the dash was designed by the folks who develop the Gran Turismo games,
and I'm sure that shows.

Don't really care, though.

Faster than a 911 Turbo around the 'Ring, for $68k?  Wow.

Sure, the Z06 is a great car.  But I will never, ever, own a Corvette, and
I'd argue that the GT-R is as good a bang-for-the-buck as the Z06, and
better than the Viper, and way better than the 911tt, and way way way better
than the 430 or Gallardo (again, on a bang-for-the-buck basis).  And it
should cream the new M3, the RS4, the IS-F, the AMG C, and pretty much
anything else.

Yeah, I'm hating the extra weight, but AWD is tough to beat at the track.
And I bet that $10k will get 650-700hp easily, which is NOT possible with
the Z06 (think $120k for the Blue Devil/Z07).

The 355s are still more beautiful, evocative, and perhaps more fun to drive,
but I can commute to work in the GT-R in January in New England....

vty,

--Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: LS [mailto:lashdeep [at] yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Dennis Liu
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] GT-R vs. F355

I'm sure Liu was joking about having a GT-R on order. 

The preview articles in the recent magazines were like a mix of the owner's
manual of my plasma TV and the radar system on the Battlestar Gallactica.

490bhp out of a externally large and heavy V6 with two turbos is sad in
2007...real sad. Real use of technology would've produced a lightweight
500bhp normally aspirated motor that gets at least 25 mpg. 

Liu, your 355s will lose no respect to 4 wheeled cellphones such as these.

LS



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