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George....Most opinions seem to favor the 328 over the 308. By some
accounts, the 328 may be the best of the 3X8 family. If you are not a tall
guy, I'd say, hold out for the 328. (All of the 3X8 family members are a
little snug if you are over 6 feet.  Be sure to get advise from Clyde Romeo
and Ferrari Bubba, before you make any moves...

Regards

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   1. Looking to buy a Ferrari (georgedodson [at] comcast.net)
   2. Frozen Sheep and Cheap Ferraris (ken rentiers)
   3. Fwd:  I don't own a gun, etc. (red5hilser [at] aol.com)
   4. Re: Looking to buy a Ferrari (jim)
   5. Re: Looking to buy a Ferrari (ken rentiers)
   6. Ken is a dummie too. (ken rentiers)
   7. Re: Looking to buy a Ferrari (Rick Lindsay)
   8. Re: Ken is a dummie too. (Rick Lindsay)
   9. Re: NFC, Looking for some Gun advice. (red5hilser [at] aol.com)
  10. Re: NFC, Looking for some Gun advice. (E M)
  11. Re: I don't own a gun, etc. (robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com)
  12. Re: Looking to buy a Ferrari (robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com)
  13. Re: Looking to buy a Ferrari (Tom Reynolds)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:29:56 -0500
From: <georgedodson [at] comcast.net>
Subject: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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I am new to the list and have a question. I have never owned a Ferrari but 
have been in love with them for many years. The cost was always too high, so

I specialized in English sports cars. I recently sold my 1959 Jaguar XK 
150-S, which I had restored over many years, and am in the market for a 
Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable price, reasonable condition, 
reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means ~20k-45K mi, $35-42K and 
recent Major Service with a clutch change for higher mileage cars. 
Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any, available. One requirement 
is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have found a number of 
reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct color and matching the 
reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am looking for advice. Should

I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my thinking and go for a 328 GTS? 
If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.

Regards,

George.

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:13:33 -0600
From: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] Frozen Sheep and Cheap Ferraris
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Soon I will finish my coffee and take myself to a grocery, there to  
acquire Tide, milk, frozen pizza and the weekend edition of the Wall  
Street Journal. It is already 8:30 - my plan to go at sun-up is  
shattered. I haven't slept this late since Nixon was not a crook.

Our Congress, in their suspect wisdom, have Done Something about our  
dependence on foreign oil. They have mandated an increase in fuel  
efficiency for cars to 35 MPG. But why stop there, wouldn't 100 MPG  
be even more efficient? If they had just managed to repeal the First  
and Second Laws of Thermodynamics while they were at it we would all  
be better off. Of course not a word about encouraging the building of  
more refineries - we haven't done that in 25 years. Or drilling the  
vast oil fields of the arctic slope, protected only by a forlorn  
handful of half-frozen caribou; or of those other reserves lying far  
too close to the mansions of Palm Beach and Malibu to ever consider  
harvesting. The fact that half our fossil fuel consumption can be  
ascribed to stationary power plants also escaped them. Instead of  
building millions of clown cars that no one wants, we could just  
erect a few nukes. But nooooooo...

Or we could just do nothing. Gasoline would rise in price as supply  
far exceeded demand. People would abandon their Hummers for Hondas,  
or abandon the roads altogether. The thought of all those empty  
highways and underpriced Ferraris is too delicious to contemplate.  
I'm getting a stiff brain! Our prices for diesel fuel are  
significantly higher than premium gasoline per gallon, balanced in  
part I guess by the higher mileage. Europe long ago discovered the  
modern diesel, but our air quality regulations have kept it off our  
shores. Now technology has given us cleaner diesel fuel and cleaner  
diesel motors -at a significant cost. You can't have your pristine  
environment and live in it too, unless you are prepared to pay and pay.

Apparently the lemmings of Vancouver, BC are ready to do just that,  
as they jostle each other in their headlong rush towards the  
Ecological Cliff. Letters from today's Vancouver Sun:

Readers respond to church call for carbon tax
I was delighted to read the front-page article on a provincial carbon  
tax. As a mother of two, addressing climate change is something I  
feel very passionately about. And as a professional in the business  
of behaviour change (I am a cardiac psychologist), I know with  
certainty that voluntary behavior change does not come easily. People  
struggle with behaviour change even when facing their own imminent  
demise, let alone attempting behaviour change for something as  
abstract as climate change. I strongly believe that for this issue to  
be adequately addressed we need government to step up and show bold  
leadership.

Readers respond to church call for carbon tax
What a boost to see the call from faith groups for a carbon tax on  
the front page of the paper. One hopes Finance Minister Carole Taylor  
and Premier Gordon Campbell saw the appeal as well. Climate change is  
the most urgent social justice and environmental issue of our  
generation, and it is a moral imperative that a government step  
forward to take the lead on this. I hope the British Columbia  
government brings forward a substantial carbon tax in next year's  
budget -- our future depends on it.

Readers respond to church call for carbon tax
How appropriate that as Christmas approaches leaders in the faith  
community have urged Finance Minister Carole Taylor to implement a  
revenue-neutral carbon tax. What a present for B.C. -- and the planet  
-- if our government drafts this important measure in the fight  
against climate change. For my children's sake, we need a government  
in Canada to take the first step and show real leadership by  
achieving substantial emission reductions. I am heartened to see more  
and more community members encouraging politicians to take real  
action against climate change.

Someone needs to spell out to these simple folk, so eager to be  
regulated and taxed until they bleed, the future they are conjuring  
up. A place with ill-smelling  and infrequent buses replacing their  
stereo-laden, air cooled Accords. No toilet paper: wash your hands  
and save a tree! Power maybe for three hours each night, books  
instead of TV sets. No travel beyond a fifty mile radius without  
documents and fuel coupons. Shaving your legs or using deodorant will  
become anti-social statements. Your shirt should last at least a week  
before changing. If families will just share their houses we won't  
have to build so many more. Hey - destroy western cilvilization: save  
the planet!

All for NOTHING! It's all GARBAGE! There is enough oil in Fort  
McMurray and the oil shale deposits of Wyoming and Colorado to last  
100 years until we figure out what comes next. Meanwhile it has been  
getting colder these past five winters, and it looks like we are in  
for another cold season this year. I hope these sorry Canadian sheep  
freeze their asses off. Dummies!

ken

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:13:32 -0500
From: red5hilser [at] aol.com
Subject: [Ferrari] Fwd:  I don't own a gun, etc.
To: Ferrari [at] Ferrarilist.com
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Hey Bob: At my age and with my torn rotator cuff, I probably couldn't catch
it anyway. Ach, for the Good Olde Days, --? Ferrari Bubba
>
> Still waiting for some sweet young thing to throw her bra at me.? Maybe I
need to buy a newer Ferrari.? Not!
>
> Bob
> '78 308GTS
> '01 Corvette Z06
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lindsay rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
> Subject: [Ferrari] I don't own a gun, etc.
>
>
>
> Nope, I don't own a gun.? Not even one.? Shot a 22
> rifle and a 32 automatic when I was young but that was
> decades ago.? It was fun, expensive and the excitement
> quickly wore off.? I had already bagged my limit of
> cans at the dump!
>
> I care about the environment but also know that man's
> actions are a trivial impact on Mother Earth's own
> plan - especially by those of us who own a tiny
> fraction of 1% of the cars in the world.
>
> I have never found that girls like Ferraris.? Girls
> like 'cute' cars like VW bugs with flower pots on the
> dash.? Young boys like Ferraries and I'm not into boys
> of any age.
>
> I'm not religious but I think its okay to have a
> CHRISTMAS party and a CHRISTMAS tree.? In fact, I'm
> enjoying my CHRISTMAS holiday break, independent of
> what my company calls it.
>
> I do have a 308GTB and I think it's just peachy.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> Rick Lindsay
> Houston, TX
> +++++++++++++++
> '08 M-B C300
> '03 L-R DII
> '96 BMW 740iL
> '79 Ferrari 308GTB
> '70 MGB Split-bumper Tourer
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:22:15 -0500
From: "jim" <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: <georgedodson [at] comcast.net>
Cc: 'The FerrariList' <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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George,

WELCOME!

The best thing that you can do would to be to buy the best car that you can
afford.  Let me go a step further.   If you can get your hands on the best
example of a 308 QV for say $42K and along comes an average 328 for the same
money, go with the QV.   Yes the 328 is going to be the better car as it's
the end of the 3x8 series and is more refined, but if you get a better
sorted 308QV over an 'average' 328, then you are going to spend less in the
long run. 

Lets look at something else....I'm assuming that you're looking at "asking
prices".   There is a HUGE difference between "asking price" and "Selling
Price".   Look at lots of cars within a model, get comfortable with the
differences.  Once you have done this, you will get an idea of what makes
the difference between a $35K car and a $42K car.  From there, find a car
and make an offer....a low offer.   I personally know of a 2V 3x8 car that
was advertised at $44,900.  When I inquired on it they SWORE they were not
budging on the price.  This car is absolutely one of the best examples out
there of its type.   The final selling price was BELOW $30K!!!!   Don't let
"asking" prices discourage you.    Some guys won't budge, but many will as
they want to unload the car.  

Finally,   Conventional wisdom/list experience says you should build in a
cushion of approx $2-4K per year for maintenance/parts, etc...(If you are
mechanically inclined you can significantly reduce this figure, but plan on
those numbers just in case)   I only spent a few hundred in my first year,
but this time next year I should have my engine out that that will more than
make up for the $$ I did not spend this year. 

Good luck in your search!

JIM

-----Original Message-----
From: georgedodson [at] comcast.net [mailto:georgedodson [at] comcast.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:30 AM
To: JIM
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari

I am new to the list and have a question. I have never owned a Ferrari but 
have been in love with them for many years. The cost was always too high, so

I specialized in English sports cars. I recently sold my 1959 Jaguar XK 
150-S, which I had restored over many years, and am in the market for a 
Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable price, reasonable condition, 
reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means ~20k-45K mi, $35-42K and 
recent Major Service with a clutch change for higher mileage cars. 
Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any, available. One requirement 
is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have found a number of 
reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct color and matching the 
reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am looking for advice. Should

I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my thinking and go for a 328 GTS? 
If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.

Regards,

George.

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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:22:48 -0600
From: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: georgedodson [at] comcast.net
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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George unless you are set on a 308, a 328 is a much better bet. They  
are the most trouble-free of Ferraris, the Toyota of Ferraris if you  
will. I say that in a non-perjorative sense. Keep in mind that all  
the 308s are now over 20 years old. All these cars will have some  
mileage, avoid a low mileage garage queen - t-r-o-u-b-l-e. Service  
records are your best friend.

There are some brokers here: Phil T and Wade Nunez come to mind, who  
may know of a car that is available. Pay for a good car up front,  
don't buy a fixer -upper. Others will chime in with more advice but  
them are the basics!

Welcome to the list!

ken

On Dec 22, 2007, at 8:29 AM, georgedodson [at] comcast.net wrote:

> I am new to the list and have a question. I have never owned a  
> Ferrari but
> have been in love with them for many years. The cost was always too  
> high, so
> I specialized in English sports cars. I recently sold my 1959  
> Jaguar XK
> 150-S, which I had restored over many years, and am in the market  
> for a
> Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable price, reasonable  
> condition,
> reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means ~20k-45K mi,  
> $35-42K and
> recent Major Service with a clutch change for higher mileage cars.
> Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any, available. One  
> requirement
> is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have found a number of
> reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct color and matching the
> reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am looking for  
> advice. Should
> I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my thinking and go for a  
> 328 GTS?
> If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> George.
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:24:38 -0600
From: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Subject: [Ferrari] Ken is a dummie too.
To: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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" Gasoline would rise in price as supply
far exceeded demand."

oops!

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:39:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Message-ID: <502091.76497.qm [at] web82304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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My co-worker drives an '89 328GTS and I have a '79
308GTB.  His GTS is a better car all around - but I'd
rather have mine any day! :-o

rick

--- ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com> wrote:

> George unless you are set on a 308, a 328 is a much
> better bet. They  
> are the most trouble-free of Ferraris, the Toyota of
> Ferraris if you  
> will. I say that in a non-perjorative sense. Keep in
> mind that all  
> the 308s are now over 20 years old. All these cars
> will have some  
> mileage, avoid a low mileage garage queen -
> t-r-o-u-b-l-e. Service  
> records are your best friend.
> 
> There are some brokers here: Phil T and Wade Nunez
> come to mind, who  
> may know of a car that is available. Pay for a good
> car up front,  
> don't buy a fixer -upper. Others will chime in with
> more advice but  
> them are the basics!
> 
> Welcome to the list!
> 
> ken
> 
> 
> On Dec 22, 2007, at 8:29 AM,
> georgedodson [at] comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I am new to the list and have a question. I have
> never owned a  
> > Ferrari but
> > have been in love with them for many years. The
> cost was always too  
> > high, so
> > I specialized in English sports cars. I recently
> sold my 1959  
> > Jaguar XK
> > 150-S, which I had restored over many years, and
> am in the market  
> > for a
> > Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable
> price, reasonable  
> > condition,
> > reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means
> ~20k-45K mi,  
> > $35-42K and
> > recent Major Service with a clutch change for
> higher mileage cars.
> > Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any,
> available. One  
> > requirement
> > is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have
> found a number of
> > reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct
> color and matching the
> > reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am
> looking for  
> > advice. Should
> > I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my
> thinking and go for a  
> > 328 GTS?
> > If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > George.
> >
> >
> >
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 07:47:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Rick Lindsay <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ken is a dummie too.
To: ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Good morning Ken, et al., 
   As you all know, I am in the oil and gas
exploration business.  I see "supply" every day.  You
guys see "demand" every day.  Its a goofy business and
never seems to be in balance.
   Here's my great fear; Some day, some politician -
perhaps even a female candidate heading for the '08
election - will realize that they can convince the
general (uneducated) public that the oil and gas
industry is "strategic" and therefore best regulated
by the government.  That scares the $#!t out of me! 
And not because I am in the business (I am going to
retire soon.) but rather, because NOTHING that the
government has ever regulated has ever been improved
by the process!
   Please send your two-cent-fee for this info to Ken.
 He needs to buy some Italian iron...

rick - a.k.a. Ken's Houston friend. :-)

PS: FWIW, there is only ONE solution outside of forced
genocide: nuclear.

--- ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com> wrote:

> " Gasoline would rise in price as supply
> far exceeded demand."
> 
> oops!

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:53:54 -0500
From: red5hilser [at] aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.
To: JAshburne [at] aol.com
Cc: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Back in the early 80's while off duty, I drew my PPK to back up a CHP
trooper who was in the middle of a felony car stop on a group of several
gangbangers. the CHP officer had already fired one round, and thank God, His
uniformed backup arrives a few minutes later. In my 31+ years carrying my
PPK, it's been drawn once, no shots fired.

Book 'em Dano --? Yer pal, Bubba

-----Original Message-----
From: JAshburne [at] aol.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.

Hi Guys

Reading through this thread has made me curious as to whether any of you
has 
ever needed to use your weapon in a true self defense situation?  

It's funny, but up here in the Northeast, I don't think that I know more  
than maybe one person who carries a weapon regularly other than my friends
who  
are cops.  Maybe I hang out in all the wrong places, but this whole area,
New 
York City included, is a comparatively low crime area and the number of  
incidents between strangers is fairly rare.  I just wouldn't think that  
carrying 
would be a big necessity.

BTW, I'm asking just because I'm curious.  I'm a big proponent of the  2nd 
Amendment and I don't have any issues whatsoever with people's desire  to
own 
and carry guns.   I do have a little bit of experience with  guns in that
I'm a 
former recreational trap shooter and did get trained for a  pistol permit 
several years ago, handling a variety of pistols.

John

In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:30:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
dave [at] davehanda.com writes:

Clyde,  
You're talking to a bunch of Ferrari Guys, don't preach to use about what
we
"need", that is obviously irrelevant, or we would all be driving  Hondas!

All hail Ferraris and M203/M40 "bloopers"!   ;-)

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: clyde  romero [mailto:clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 21,  2007 11:27 AM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net;  ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun  advice.

Whats worse is that most people buy more weapon than they  need!

Clyde

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:18:48 -0500
From: "E M" <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.
To: "red5hilser [at] aol.com" <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
Cc: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net, ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Gangbanging is a felony down there?  Good thing you were able to hold all
those horny buggers at gun point. :-)  I'm not even going to ask what the
one did that required a shot to be fired!!

Ed
911SC

On 22/12/2007, red5hilser [at] aol.com <red5hilser [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> Back in the early 80's while off duty, I drew my PPK to back up a CHP
> trooper who was in the middle of a felony car stop on a group of several
> gangbangers. the CHP officer had already fired one round, and thank God,
His
> uniformed backup arrives a few minutes later. In my 31+ years carrying my
> PPK, it's been drawn once, no shots fired.
>
> Book 'em Dano --? Yer pal, Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JAshburne [at] aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun advice.
>
>
>
>
> Hi Guys
>
> Reading through this thread has made me curious as to whether any of
> you  has
> ever needed to use your weapon in a true self defense situation?
>
> It's funny, but up here in the Northeast, I don't think that I know more
> than maybe one person who carries a weapon regularly other than my friends
> who
> are cops.  Maybe I hang out in all the wrong places, but this whole
> area,  New
> York City included, is a comparatively low crime area and the number of
> incidents between strangers is fairly rare.  I just wouldn't think that
> carrying
> would be a big necessity.
>
> BTW, I'm asking just because I'm curious.  I'm a big proponent of the  2nd
> Amendment and I don't have any issues whatsoever with people's desire  to
> own
> and carry guns.   I do have a little bit of experience with  guns in that
> I'm a
> former recreational trap shooter and did get trained for a  pistol permit
> several years ago, handling a variety of pistols.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2007 1:30:39 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> dave [at] davehanda.com writes:
>
> Clyde,
> You're talking to a bunch of Ferrari Guys, don't preach to use about
> what  we
> "need", that is obviously irrelevant, or we would all be driving  Hondas!
>
> All hail Ferraris and M203/M40 "bloopers"!   ;-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clyde  romero [mailto:clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 21,  2007 11:27 AM
> To: dave [at] davehanda.com
> Cc: dave.craig [at] sbcglobal.net;  ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] NFC, Looking for some Gun  advice.
>
> Whats worse is that most people buy more weapon than they  need!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:26:05 GMT
From: "robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com" <robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I don't own a gun, etc.
To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Subdued reactions.  More like 'there goes another midlife crisis' or 'wonder
what he is trying to compensate for' or 'wonder how many gold chains he
has'.  But then again, Corvettes around here are a dime a dozen, and I
really don't drive it much other than long trips to the Open Road Race
events.  Outstanding road car.  Nothing like going around sweeping corners
on cruise control at 160+.

(and it is Z zero 6, but pronounced Z OH SIX)

Bob

-- "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net> wrote:
Bob,
        Any reactions from females when you're in the Z06?  (And is it Z OH
6 or Z ZERO 6 when spelling it?)
Tom (yeah, I HAD to ask...)
Tulsa, OK
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From: <robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] I don't own a gun, etc.

> Although I do own a couple of guns, my experience with Ferrari/girls is
the same.
>
> Even here in car-crazy Southern Cal where I get a reaction just about
everywhere I take my old daily-driver-Shitbox(tm)-308GTS, 99% of the time,
the reaction is from males.  Predominantly pre-teen males.  Second group is
late teen guys driving Asian coupes with coffee can mufflers.  They want to
race.
>
> Girls seem to either not care, or not have a clue as to what the car is.
Or only notice because their pre-teen sons are yelling 'FERRARI!!!!'.
>
> Still waiting for some sweet young thing to throw her bra at me.  Maybe I
need to buy a newer Ferrari.  Not!
>
> Bob
> '78 308GTS
> '01 Corvette Z06
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Lindsay rolindsay [at] yahoo.com
> Subject: [Ferrari] I don't own a gun, etc.
>
>
>
> Nope, I don't own a gun.  Not even one.  Shot a 22
> rifle and a 32 automatic when I was young but that was
> decades ago.  It was fun, expensive and the excitement
> quickly wore off.  I had already bagged my limit of
> cans at the dump!
>
> I care about the environment but also know that man's
> actions are a trivial impact on Mother Earth's own
> plan - especially by those of us who own a tiny
> fraction of 1% of the cars in the world.
>
> I have never found that girls like Ferraris.  Girls
> like 'cute' cars like VW bugs with flower pots on the
> dash.  Young boys like Ferraries and I'm not into boys
> of any age.
>
> I'm not religious but I think its okay to have a
> CHRISTMAS party and a CHRISTMAS tree.  In fact, I'm
> enjoying my CHRISTMAS holiday break, independent of
> what my company calls it.
>
> I do have a 308GTB and I think it's just peachy.
>
> Merry Christmas!
>
> Rick Lindsay
> Houston, TX
> +++++++++++++++
> '08 M-B C300
> '03 L-R DII
> '96 BMW 740iL
> '79 Ferrari 308GTB
> '70 MGB Split-bumper Tourer
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:41:30 GMT
From: "robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com" <robert_h_bowser [at] juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
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Between those two, I would definitely go with the 328.  Much better car.  I
see no advantage to the QV 308.  Does anyone else?

Being me, I'd much rather have a carbed 308 than either of the above.

If it is a low mileage garage queen, figure on spending $6K the first year
replacing anything that moves (or is supposed to move).  Either that, or
leave it as a garage queen and do nothing.

If it is a regularly driven example, figure on spending $2K the first year.

Bob
'78 308GTS
'01 Corvette Z06

-- <georgedodson [at] comcast.net> wrote:
I am new to the list and have a question. I have never owned a Ferrari but 
have been in love with them for many years. The cost was always too high, so

I specialized in English sports cars. I recently sold my 1959 Jaguar XK 
150-S, which I had restored over many years, and am in the market for a 
Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable price, reasonable condition, 
reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means ~20k-45K mi, $35-42K and 
recent Major Service with a clutch change for higher mileage cars. 
Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any, available. One requirement 
is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have found a number of 
reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct color and matching the 
reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am looking for advice. Should

I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my thinking and go for a 328 GTS? 
If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.

Regards,

George.

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:21:23 -0600
From: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari
To: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
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Having driven Rick's car with grandson Jerry I can vouch for the statement
he made.  I'D rather have Rick's car!
And grandson Jerry still has the pictures from our visit on the wall in his
room.  Even though he always is enthusiastic about "Porsche 911 turbo" I
think he secretly lusts for a Ferrari.  :)
TominTulsa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Looking to buy a Ferrari

> My co-worker drives an '89 328GTS and I have a '79
> 308GTB.  His GTS is a better car all around - but I'd
> rather have mine any day! :-o
>
> rick
>
> --- ken rentiers <rentiers [at] mac.com> wrote:
>
> > George unless you are set on a 308, a 328 is a much
> > better bet. They
> > are the most trouble-free of Ferraris, the Toyota of
> > Ferraris if you
> > will. I say that in a non-perjorative sense. Keep in
> > mind that all
> > the 308s are now over 20 years old. All these cars
> > will have some
> > mileage, avoid a low mileage garage queen -
> > t-r-o-u-b-l-e. Service
> > records are your best friend.
> >
> > There are some brokers here: Phil T and Wade Nunez
> > come to mind, who
> > may know of a car that is available. Pay for a good
> > car up front,
> > don't buy a fixer -upper. Others will chime in with
> > more advice but
> > them are the basics!
> >
> > Welcome to the list!
> >
> > ken
> >
> >
> > On Dec 22, 2007, at 8:29 AM,
> > georgedodson [at] comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > I am new to the list and have a question. I have
> > never owned a
> > > Ferrari but
> > > have been in love with them for many years. The
> > cost was always too
> > > high, so
> > > I specialized in English sports cars. I recently
> > sold my 1959
> > > Jaguar XK
> > > 150-S, which I had restored over many years, and
> > am in the market
> > > for a
> > > Ferrari. I had my heart set on a "reasonable
> > price, reasonable
> > > condition,
> > > reasonable mileage" 308 GTS QV. Reasonable means
> > ~20k-45K mi,
> > > $35-42K and
> > > recent Major Service with a clutch change for
> > higher mileage cars.
> > > Unfortunately, there seem to be very few if any,
> > available. One
> > > requirement
> > > is Red exterior with Tan or Bone interior. I have
> > found a number of
> > > reasonably priced 328 GTS cars with the correct
> > color and matching the
> > > reasonable price/mileage/condition criteria. I am
> > looking for
> > > advice. Should
> > > I hold out for a 308 GTS QV or re-align my
> > thinking and go for a
> > > 328 GTS?
> > > If you like, you can reply off-list. Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > George.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:55:21 -0800 (PST)