Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Crushed Cars

[LS (lashdeep]

Fantastic tech/info Hans, thanks!

On the subject of Vettes...anybody know what a road racing prepped mid year 
('63-67) weighs in at?

LS


----- Original Message ----
From: Hans E. Hansen <FList [at] hanshansen.org>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 2, 2008 12:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Crushed Cars

The original Grand Sports had a unique engine - 377CID, IIRC.
It wasn't like anything before or since.  The 'big block' used in
production Vettes (starting 1965) was referred to as the Mark IV,
and I *think* the GS engine was called the Mark II.  Since
these engines were one-off (OK, six-off....) they are quite
valuable and essentially unrepairable.  So when you see
a GS at some historic event, it will almost certainly have just
a garden variety small block in it.  The cars only weighed
around 2200 lbs, so they will pull the front tires off the ground
in high gear regardless of what is powering them.

Hans.

On 3/1/08, Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
> A few years ago at Willow Springs VARA (or was it Las Vegas?) event I saw
> one of these - rather funny looking/. Sorta stubby - but fast.  Had the
> "Penske" touch with external air connectors to lift the car on the passenger
> fender.
> DOUG
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <red5hilser [at] aol.com>
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Crushed Cars
>
>
> > Hey Hans: Kudos to you. Correct as usual, my friend. Will I be allowed a
> > blindfold and last cigarette before I'm paraded up to the wall and shot?
> > I'll bet that cLyDe(TM) is having a good yuk over this. <g>
> >
> > Yer humble pal, Shitbox(TM) Bubba
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hans
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Crushed Cars
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill:
> >
> > You don't have it quite right.  You're referring to the Grand Sports.
> > Penske was involved in their long controversial history, as were
> > others.  The story goes that 5 were built, and then GM brass
> > ordered them destroyed after they enacted a ban on racing.  They
> > disappeared for a while, were presumed destroyed, but now all
> > of them are accounted for.
> >
> > A couple of years ago, clear evidence of a 6th Grand Sport surfaced.
> > Even Penske recalled a 6th car, and there is a photo of 6 cars
> > lined up.  The newest version of the story goes that the GM
> > employee ordered to destroy them set fire to one of the cars
> > and perhaps some other lesser cars.  He pointed to the burnt
> > mess as evidence that he carried out orders.  It was probably
> > him that smuggled the 5 remaining cars out.
> >
> > Hans.
> >
> > On 2/28/08, red5hilser [at] aol.com <red5hilser [at] aol.com> wrote:
> >> Hey Larry: The Chevrolet Division of GM did the same thing to all the
> >> Corvette
> > race cars that they had loaned to Roger Penske for the season back in 'the
> > days.' Only thing was, that the GM employee in charge of the crushing,
> > being the
> > car-nut that he was, misplaced one. It's still out there somewhere. I read
> > about
> > it in R&T years ago. I think they were raced in the old Trans-Am series.
> >>
> >> And as far as the long-gone 1961 156 shark noses, Phil Hill drove an
> >> exact
> > replica (except for the nose badge) that Chris Rhea had built for his
> > documentary film in Wolfgang von Tripps. After about 20 minutes of track
> > time,
> > Phil came in and said that it was very apparent?that it was?nothing like
> > the
> > original factory?156. Unlike the Team cars, this one was well built
> > and?didn't
> > have?the rather shoddy construction or?feel of Enzo's machines.
> >>
> >> IMHO, the only reason that Hill won the WDC was that the V-6 Ferrari
> >> engine
> > had a 40-50 horsepower advantage over the Brits. Not withstanding that his
> > only
> > rival, Tripps was killed in the last, and deciding race held at Monza
> >> On real drivers courses, the 156 didn't do too well, with Stirling Moss
> > winning at Monte Carlo, and I think, the old Nurburgring. Somebody out
> > there
> > will have to check for?me on the latter.
> >>
> >> Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: LarryT
> >> Subject: [Ferrari] Crushed Cars
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Howdy -
> >>
> >>    I assume everyone knows that Enzo had some of his race cars (like the
> >> shark nosed F1 cars that took Phil Hill to become World Champion) crushed
> >> after they became obsolete.  Just heard the 1st 2 prototypes of the XKE
> >> were
> >> also crushed.
> >>
> >>    I'm wondering why they crushed them?  Protecting secrets? eccentric?
> >> some other reason?
> >>
> >> Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> >>
> >>
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