Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Ferrari Digest: Immigration attitude No Ferraricontent (not even a litt

[LarryT (l02turner]

Don't think anyone thinks it would hapen in one fell swoop - more likely it 
woud take place over years - maybe a million or 2 per year should be achievable.

As far as the jobs they do, I;m sure many do a great job - but some are used to 
do work they may not be prepared for - for instance, my sons boss (owner of a 
brick building co) is trying to get building inspectors - or *some*one to check 
the people doing the work to insure they know what they're doing.  He (my son's 
boss) says he sees it more and more often - a crew of what must be described as 
untrained brick masons build a structure - it may last 6 months to a year 
before it begins to come apart - sometimes it's represents a danger - so 
another company is paid to repair the substandard work - as the original crew 
is no where to be found.  

He's not having a lot of luck getting the country to step up and say it's 
they're responsibility so the situation is unlikely to change.  But that's what 
happens when jobs are awarded based on price alone.

But, no,  15 million people won't be lined up and marched across the border. ;-)

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael James 
  To: LarryT 
  Cc: The FerrariList 
  Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest: Immigration attitude No Ferraricontent 
(not even a litt


        I hate to jump-in again, Larry, but there's just one small problem to 
all this - those 12-14 MIL Illegals here are all here for the jobs - ones that 
they're already working in some capacity.  If you fired them all tomorrow, 12 
Million jobs would stop being worked - everything from Interstate Commerce to 
Public Works/Construction to Agriculture to Child Care to all-kinds-of-stuff 
that just can't stop on a dime.  The reverberations throughout the US Economy 
would be Thermonuclear-BAD.....life as you and I know it would just stop.  
Grocery shelves would be empty 'cause the food is still in the fields, not 
being harvested.....or trucked, or shipped....



        I'm no big fan of Illegal Immigration, either, but....there's a reason 
why food prices are still reasonable regardless of Agflation rates right now - 
the ultra-cheap labor rates paid to illegals to harvest/process/ship the 
groceries to the store keep those prices affordable for the vast majority of 
the US Population.  Unless we all somehow 'like' the idea of paying $17 for an 
onion or watermelon, firing them all isn't the answer...'real' Americans would 
starve the next day.....our economy has created/nurtured this dependency since 
the 1950s....you can't just shut it all down in a day.



        M J



        --- On Fri, 3/21/08, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:


          From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
          Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest: Immigration attitude No 
Ferraricontent (not even a litt
          To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
          Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
          Date: Friday, March 21, 2008, 2:59 PM


All excellent points.  One thing that always irritated me is the almost 
universal notion than says "there's 12-15 million illegals here and we

cannot deport them all"  Even a lot of conversatives say that - maybe 
they're just going "with the flow" - I don;t understand it.

To me, it seems we *can* deport any number of people if we choose to do so. 
After all, if there were 40 million that owed taxes you can bet your cowboy 
boots the IRS wouldn't be saying, "Oh my, that's too many, we
can't possibly 
get all of them."

Pure BS.  1st we need to stop more border crossings by allowing our border 
agents to do their jobs, 2nd finish the wall, 3rd start busing them back, 
4th, make their stay while waiting to go back as uncomfortable as possible - 
no AC, minimal heat, miminal comforts.  Maybe the'd want to go back then?

Is that too mean?  (too bad - don't come here illegally & I won;t be
mean) 
If you like it here go home and work to change things there --

Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D)
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest: Immigration attitude No 
Ferraricontent (not even a litt


> Phil:
>
> I have a different quote from a Chief Patrol Agent of a Border Patrol 
> Sector
> which necessarily remains anonymous:
>
> "Post a "No Vacancy" sign and end immigration entirely. Do
like the 
> Japanese
> do and allow the real H1B candidates, exception scientists, engineers,
> business representatives of  foreign corporations such as Nissan, Toyota 
> just to
> mention a few and their sales staff, etc., and physicians and surgeons, 
> etc.,
> to enter the country and to stay for an extended period of time, paying 
> all
> of the taxes that we pay, including Social(ist) Security, but accruing no
> benefits , ever, as they are already accruing the benefit of living in the

> U.S.
> Cut off all payments of all kinds, and all aid, except for emergency 
> medical
> services, but not continuing care, to all non-citizens, and deport all 
> illegal
> aliens, ASAP after they participate in a CCC type work project to  improve
> roads, etc. in this country for a specified length of time, and  seize all

> of
> their accrued assets as illegally obtained gains (after all if  they 
> weren't in
> this country they would not have accrued  them). The, simply reduce all
> welfare and "on the dole" program  benefits to 60% of the net
income after 
> taxes,
> and without earned income  credits at the level of the minimum wage. Then 
> offer
> the folks on welfare the  opportunity to "do the jobs Americans
won't do" 
> to
> make up the  difference."
>
> Actually, I couldn't have said it better myself, but then again in the
> discussion between us I have probably said all of that at one time or 
> another.
> Incidentally, he in not big on the government's "catch and 
release" 
> formula
> currently in place of the undocumented aliens. It might work  for animals 
> and
> fish who are endangered species, but illegal aliens don't quite  fit
into 
> that
> category.
>
> We certainly can afford some opportunities for the truly gifted of other
> nations, but, even a motel that generates revenue from occupancy knows 
> when it
> is so fully it cannot properly accommodate any more based upon capacity 
> and the
> ability to properly provide services to those already there.
>
> Just some simple thoughts from one of Homeland Security's finest, who 
> deals
> with these problems on the front line every single work day of his life.
>
> Dr. Steve
>
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