Ferrari Mailing List: Re: what is this?

[clyderomero (clyderomero]

Ok but we all knew the 101 as the widow maker because of the pitch up problem
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From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:44:07 
To: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?


Clyde the F101 may also me a widow maker - but Wikipedia sez
a.. The Luftwaffe nickname (in German) for the F-104 Starfighter warplane.
DOUG
Also, and this is new to me, the B26 medium bomber.


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Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?


> Widow Maker was the F101 Voodoo
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> From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
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> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:09:07
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?
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> Ahh, that's what I recall.  If I remember correctly, this thing ejected
> pilots downward - or am I confusing it with something else?
> DOUG
> Yeah, F104 - the widow maker.  Some one quipped if you want an F104, buy 
> an
> acre of land in Germany.  Guess these were NATO fighters.
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> From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:22 AM
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>> On a flight for GE to get promo pics, an F104 got too close to a wing on
>> the XB and the vortex sucked it over.
>> The F104 did an inverted roll over top of both rear stabilizers and
>> vaporized (due to JP4 fuel instability?). The 104 pilot, Joe Walker was
>> killed instantly...too bad. He was an experienced pilot.
>> The XB continued to fly flat for 16 secs and then started a spin until it
>> crashed. One pilot got killed, the other ejected out.
>> That's all I can remember...maybe someone can look up the details.
>> LS
>>
>>
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>> From: "clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net" <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 6:37:07 AM
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>> Didb the XB have a mid air or something on a test flt?
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:18:13
>> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
>> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?
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>>
>> Yeah, it was terrible...Jo Walker and the XB perished for no reason...
>>
>>
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>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:12:43 PM
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>> I saw it being built. I stand on my deck in Inglewood and watch the Forum
>> being built and way over there was a "North American - Home of the
>> Valkyrie"
>> 25 foot high red neon letter secretly proclaimed. Too bad about the photo
>> op that went poo poo clunk. Took out the B70 and another plane.
>> DOUG
>>
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:59 AM
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>>
>>> The specs and photos of the Talon remind me of the old XB-70 from the
>>> 60's...remember that thing? I don't since I wasn't born, but it seemed 
>>> as
>>> if it was an interesting vehicle.
>>> I'd like to check it out at Wright Pat one of these days.
>>> LS
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: "Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net" <Ferrarisimo [at] comcast.net>
>>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 9:21:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?
>>>
>>> FA-37 New Stealth Fighter Air Craft Jet
>>> August 19, 2007 | Author: Rich | 21,066Views | | Print
>>> Filed under: 800HighTech, Internet, Military News, Random
>>>
>>> FA-37 Talon Military Aircraft Stealth Jet Secret Weapons
>>>
>>> Making the rounds to an Email box near you! I just got it and found
>>> out that this has been circulating for some time. Below are
>>> photographs of a prototype aircraft known as the Talon. Reportedly it
>>> was taken onboard the USS George Washington CVN-73 for catapult fit
>>> checks. It noted that it was not exactly still Top Secret but
>>> certainly not yet made public.
>>>
>>> The specs that were known were list to be a Mach 3.5 (top speed in the
>>> Mach 4 range), super-cruise stealth fighter / bomber / interceptor
>>> with approximately a 4,000nm range.
>>>
>>>
>>> :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::
>>>
>>>
>>> At first I fell for it too, but after checking around this wasnât the
>>> case. I seldom believe anything on the internet for face value and
>>> have to do a lot of checking around to verify facts and then draw my
>>> own conclusion. Blogs are unfortunately known to be operated by nuts
>>> (maybe me too!).
>>>
>>> These photographs are not images of a prototype F/A-37 âTalonâ
>>> aircraft being tested aboard the aircraft carrier USS George
>>> Washington, but pictures taken from the filming of the motion picture
>>> Stealth (which wasnât that good and had numerous incorrect features).
>>>
>>> Although these pictures come from a fictional movie, they were taken
>>> aboard a real U.S. aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, which
>>> was used for filming while the vessel was at San Diegoâs Naval Air
>>> Station North Island in June 2004.
>>>
>>> USS Abraham Public Affairs Press Release
>>> Fighter jets chocked and chained to the deck, Sailors scurrying from
>>> place to place, the occasional whirr of rising aircraft elevators,
>>> this could be a hangar bay of any aircraft carrier. In fact, the
>>> repetitious scene often causes shipmates to become oblivious to their
>>> overwhelming surroundings.
>>>
>>> But last week something happened aboard USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)
>>> that made every Sailor stand up and take notice throughout the ship.
>>>
>>> Departing Naval Air Station North Island after an all too brief stop-
>>> over, Lincoln welcomed aboard more than 80 new faces, a 53-foot long
>>> futuristic stealth fighter named âTalon,â and the Navyâs top three
>>> âspecial operations pilots.â
>>>
>>> No, this was not a top-secret Navy experiment; rather it was the cast
>>> and crew of the upcoming major motion picture, âStealth.â The new
>>> addition to Abeâs crew came aboard courtesy of Columbia Pictures and
>>> Backbreaker Films, and features Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, Jamie Foxx
>>> and Pulitzer Prize-winner Sam Shepard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The film is scheduled to be released in the summer of 2005, and is
>>> directed by Rob Cohen, who also directed the films âXXX,â and âThe
>>> Fast and The Furious.â He said âStealthâ is on a different level than
>>> his past work.
>>>
>>> âFilming a major Hollywood movie during flight (operations) is a very
>>> tricky and different thing,â said Cohen. âThis is real life out here,
>>> and itâs amazing that the Navy is allowing us to be here and bring our
>>> own aircraft on the ship.â
>>>
>>> Cohen also acknowledged the Navy for allowing the current movie to see
>>> the light of day. âIâm very grateful to the Navy for this. The Navy
>>> passed every page of the script, so they feel good about it, and I
>>> feel good about what this film will say about the Navy.â
>>>
>>> In the film, Navy officials decide to use an unmanned version of the
>>> âTalon,â but when one of the planes begins attacking friendly forces,
>>> Navy pilots are called in to save the planet from artificial
>>> intelligence.
>>>
>>> Although the plot may sound far-fetched to some, Cohen found out first
>>> hand that filming aboard Lincoln is very real.
>>>
>>> âI have a deeper appreciation for what (the crew) does on the
>>> Lincoln,â Cohen said. After spending his first night aboard the
>>> warship, Cohen had a startling experience that awoke him from a sound
>>> sleep. âThey primed the catapults about 2:00 in the morning, and I
>>> thought, âOh my God, weâve been torpedoed!â I jumped so high out of my
>>> bunk that I hit my head on the shelf.â
>>>
>>> Adjusting to life on the 97,000-ton carrier also proved to be
>>> difficult for some of the cast.
>>>
>>> âIâve been lost every day,â actress Jessica Biel said. âI still 
>>> canât
>>> get to my room. I have to ask people all of the time just to help me
>>> find the bathroom, but itâs been incredible how helpful everyone has
>>> been.â
>>>
>>> Biel, who plays Lt. Kara Wade, the only female pilot in the stealth
>>> squadron, also expressed her appreciation for the hard work of Abeâs
>>> crew. âYou really have no idea how hard everybody works until you come
>>> on to a carrier,â Biel said. âThe teamwork on this ship is absolutely
>>> amazing.â
>>>
>>> Teamwork seemed to be the word of the week, as both the movie and
>>> shipâs crews worked together to complete the shipâs mission and lend a
>>> hand in the production.
>>>
>>> Abe Sailors were given numerous opportunities throughout the week to
>>> be extras in the film, and share the spotlight with the Hollywood
>>> lineup. Donning float coats and cranials, the Sailors, producers and
>>> actors looked alike on the flight deck as the cameras rolled.
>>>
>>> âIn my 16 years in the Navy, this is one of the top things Iâve done,â
>>> said AO1(AW) Anthony Whetstone, of Abeâs Safety Department.
>>>
>>> Whetstone, an Alexander City, Ala. native, was an extra with a
>>> speaking role during one of the productionâs night scenes, and was
>>> grateful to have such an opportunity. âNothing like this has ever
>>> happened to me before.â
>>>
>>> Actor Jamie Foxx, who plays the role of Lt. Henry Purcell, said Abeâs
>>> crew was a big help during the filming and commented on their hard
>>> work. âThis really changes your perspective on things, when you get a
>>> chance to see from the ground up how hard these men and women work,â
>>> he said.
>>>
>>> âThe crew was really down to Earth,â Whetstone said.
>>>
>>> âI was surprised to find out that they were just like us.â Whetstoneâs
>>> thoughts seemed to be echoed by Abeâs crew throughout the week.
>>> Meanwhile, the film crew couldnât seem to give enough praise to
>>> Lincoln Sailors.
>>>
>>> âThank God for these decent people that are on this ship doing the job
>>> they do,â Cohen said. âI have a deep appreciation for Sailors and what
>>> (they) do for people like me who live in the freedom you secure.â
>>>
>>>
>>> Scottie
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Ken Rentiers wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clyde:
>>>>
>>>> WTF is this???
>>>>
>>>> <NewNavyplane.jpg>
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