Ferrari Mailing List: Re: what is this?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

Hey cLyDe: Sorry, but we didn't all know that the Vodoo was called the 'widow 
maker.' At least Doug and I didn't. The Starfighter got that name early on, 
after test pilot Ivan Kinchlow (sp?) was killed, flying out of Edwards AFB.

Yer pal, Bubba


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From: cLyDe
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?



Ok but we all knew the 101 as the widow maker because of the pitch up problem
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rom: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 06:44:07 
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lyde the F101 may also me a widow maker - but Wikipedia sez
.. The Luftwaffe nickname (in German) for the F-104 Starfighter warplane.
OUG
lso, and this is new to me, the B26 medium bomber.

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 Widow Maker was the F101 Voodoo

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 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:09:07
 To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
 Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
 Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?


 Ahh, that's what I recall.  If I remember correctly, this thing ejected
 pilots downward - or am I confusing it with something else?
 DOUG
 Yeah, F104 - the widow maker.  Some one quipped if you want an F104, buy 
 an
 acre of land in Germany.  Guess these were NATO fighters.

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 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:22 AM
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> On a flight for GE to get promo pics, an F104 got too close to a wing on
> the XB and the vortex sucked it over.
> The F104 did an inverted roll over top of both rear stabilizers and
> vaporized (due to JP4 fuel instability?). The 104 pilot, Joe Walker was
> killed instantly...too bad. He was an experienced pilot.
> The XB continued to fly flat for 16 secs and then started a spin until it
> crashed. One pilot got killed, the other ejected out.
> That's all I can remember...maybe someone can look up the details.
> LS
>
>
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> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 6:37:07 AM
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> Didb the XB have a mid air or something on a test flt?
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> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:18:13
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?
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>
> Yeah, it was terrible...Jo Walker and the XB perished for no reason...
>
>
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> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:12:43 PM
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>
> I saw it being built. I stand on my deck in Inglewood and watch the Forum
> being built and way over there was a "North American - Home of the
> Valkyrie"
> 25 foot high red neon letter secretly proclaimed. Too bad about the photo
> op that went poo poo clunk. Took out the B70 and another plane.
> DOUG
>
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> From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:59 AM
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>
>> The specs and photos of the Talon remind me of the old XB-70 from the
>> 60's...remember that thing? I don't since I wasn't born, but it seemed 
>> as
>> if it was an interesting vehicle.
>> I'd like to check it out at Wright Pat one of these days.
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: "Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net" <Ferrarisimo [at] comcast.net>
>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 9:21:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?
>>
>> FA-37 New Stealth Fighter Air Craft Jet
>> August 19, 2007 | Author: Rich | 21,066Views | | Print
>> Filed under: 800HighTech, Internet, Military News, Random
>>
>> FA-37 Talon Military Aircraft Stealth Jet Secret Weapons
>>
>> Making the rounds to an Email box near you! I just got it and found
>> out that this has been circulating for some time. Below are
>> photographs of a prototype aircraft known as the Talon. Reportedly it
>> was taken onboard the USS George Washington CVN-73 for catapult fit
>> checks. It noted that it was not exactly still Top Secret but
>> certainly not yet made public.
>>
>> The specs that were known were list to be a Mach 3.5 (top speed in the
>> Mach 4 range), super-cruise stealth fighter / bomber / interceptor
>> with approximately a 4,000nm range.
>>
>>
>> :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::
>>
>>
>> At first I fell for it too, but after checking around this wasnât the
>> case. I seldom believe anything on the internet for face value and
>> have to do a lot of checking around to verify facts and then draw my
>> own conclusion. Blogs are unfortunately known to be operated by nuts
>> (maybe me too!).
>>
>> These photographs are not images of a prototype F/A-37 âTalonâ
>> aircraft being tested aboard the aircraft carrier USS George
>> Washington, but pictures taken from the filming of the motion picture
>> Stealth (which wasnât that good and had numerous incorrect features).
>>
>> Although these pictures come from a fictional movie, they were taken
>> aboard a real U.S. aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, which
>> was used for filming while the vessel was at San Diegoâs Naval Air
>> Station North Island in June 2004.
>>
>> USS Abraham Public Affairs Press Release
>> Fighter jets chocked and chained to the deck, Sailors scurrying from
>> place to place, the occasional whirr of rising aircraft elevators,
>> this could be a hangar bay of any aircraft carrier. In fact, the
>> repetitious scene often causes shipmates to become oblivious to their
>> overwhelming surroundings.
>>
>> But last week something happened aboard USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)
>> that made every Sailor stand up and take notice throughout the ship.
>>
>> Departing Naval Air Station North Island after an all too brief stop-
>> over, Lincoln welcomed aboard more than 80 new faces, a 53-foot long
>> futuristic stealth fighter named âTalon,â and the Navyâs top three
>> âspecial operations pilots.â
>>
>> No, this was not a top-secret Navy experiment; rather it was the cast
>> and crew of the upcoming major motion picture, âStealth.â The new
>> addition to Abeâs crew came aboard courtesy of Columbia Pictures and
>> Backbreaker Films, and features Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, Jamie Foxx
>> and Pulitzer Prize-winner Sam Shepard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The film is scheduled to be released in the summer of 2005, and is
>> directed by Rob Cohen, who also directed the films âXXX,â and âThe
>> Fast and The Furious.â He said âStealthâ is on a different level than
>> his past work.
>>
>> âFilming a major Hollywood movie during flight (operations) is a very
>> tricky and different thing,â said Cohen. âThis is real life out here,
>> and itâs amazing that the Navy is allowing us to be here and bring our
>> own aircraft on the ship.â
>>
>> Cohen also acknowledged the Navy for allowing the current movie to see
>> the light of day. âIâm very grateful to the Navy for this. The Navy
>> passed every page of the script, so they feel good about it, and I
>> feel good about what this film will say about the Navy.â
>>
>> In the film, Navy officials decide to use an unmanned version of the
>> âTalon,â but when one of the planes begins attacking friendly forces,
>> Navy pilots are called in to save the planet from artificial
>> intelligence.
>>
>> Although the plot may sound far-fetched to some, Cohen found out first
>> hand that filming aboard Lincoln is very real.
>>
>> âI have a deeper appreciation for what (the crew) does on the
>> Lincoln,â Cohen said. After spending his first night aboard the
>> warship, Cohen had a startling experience that awoke him from a sound
>> sleep. âThey primed the catapults about 2:00 in the morning, and I
>> thought, âOh my God, weâve been torpedoed!â I jumped so high out of my
>> bunk that I hit my head on the shelf.â
>>
>> Adjusting to life on the 97,000-ton carrier also proved to be
>> difficult for some of the cast.
>>
>> âIâve been lost every day,â actress Jessica Biel said. âI still 
>> canât
>> get to my room. I have to ask people all of the time just to help me
>> find the bathroom, but itâs been incredible how helpful everyone has
>> been.â
>>
>> Biel, who plays Lt. Kara Wade, the only female pilot in the stealth
>> squadron, also expressed her appreciation for the hard work of Abeâs
>> crew. âYou really have no idea how hard everybody works until you come
>> on to a carrier,â Biel said. âThe teamwork on this ship is absolutely
>> amazing.â
>>
>> Teamwork seemed to be the word of the week, as both the movie and
>> shipâs crews worked together to complete the shipâs mission and lend a
>> hand in the production.
>>
>> Abe Sailors were given numerous opportunities throughout the week to
>> be extras in the film, and share the spotlight with the Hollywood
>> lineup. Donning float coats and cranials, the Sailors, producers and
>> actors looked alike on the flight deck as the cameras rolled.
>>
>> âIn my 16 years in the Navy, this is one of the top things Iâve done,â
>> said AO1(AW) Anthony Whetstone, of Abeâs Safety Department.
>>
>> Whetstone, an Alexander City, Ala. native, was an extra with a
>> speaking role during one of the productionâs night scenes, and was
>> grateful to have such an opportunity. âNothing like this has ever
>> happened to me before.â
>>
>> Actor Jamie Foxx, who plays the role of Lt. Henry Purcell, said Abeâs
>> crew was a big help during the filming and commented on their hard
>> work. âThis really changes your perspective on things, when you get a
>> chance to see from the ground up how hard these men and women work,â
>> he said.
>>
>> âThe crew was really down to Earth,â Whetstone said.
>>
>> âI was surprised to find out that they were just like us.â Whetstoneâs
>> thoughts seemed to be echoed by Abeâs crew throughout the week.
>> Meanwhile, the film crew couldnât seem to give enough praise to
>> Lincoln Sailors.
>>
>> âThank God for these decent people that are on this ship doing the job
>> they do,â Cohen said. âI have a deep appreciation for Sailors and what
>> (they) do for people like me who live in the freedom you secure.â
>>
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Ken Rentiers wrote:
>>
>>> Clyde:
>>>
>>> WTF is this???
>>>
>>> <NewNavyplane.jpg>
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