Ferrari Mailing List: Re: what is this?

[red5hilser (red5hilser]

One hot summer afternoon, while der Frau and I were lounging by the pool, we 
saw a B-2 Stelth Bomber fly over our humble adobe in the foothills of Tucson, 
making an approach to DMAFB. I thought that either she had spiked my 
frostyÂsalty dog, or I was at a Greatful Dead concert. Janis, Jimi ... where 
are you?


-----Original Message-----
From: Dan 
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?


I once saw the B-52's.....................Â
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To: "Daniel" <edwf430 [at] bellsouth.net>Â
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:02 AMÂ
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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> In Tuscon, I've seen the A-20, B-24, B-25, B-17, B-29, B-36, and the B-52. > 
> I can't remember if the B-26 is there too.Â
>Â
> Yer pal, BubbaÂ
>Â
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> -----Original Message-----Â
> From: DougÂ
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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> Clyde the F101 may also me a widow maker - but Wikipedia sezÂ
> .. The Luftwaffe nickname (in German) for the F-104 Starfighter warplane.Â
> OUGÂ
> lso, and this is new to me, the B26 medium bomber.Â
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> ---- Original Message ----- > rom: <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>Â
> o: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>Â
> c: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
> ent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:00 AMÂ
> ubject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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> Widow Maker was the F101 VoodooÂ
>Â
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> -----Original Message-----Â
> From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>Â
>Â
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:09:07Â
> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>Â
> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
>Â
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> Ahh, that's what I recall. If I remember correctly, this thing ejectedÂ
> pilots downward - or am I confusing it with something else?Â
> DOUGÂ
> Yeah, F104 - the widow maker. Some one quipped if you want an F104, buyÂ
> anÂ
> acre of land in Germany. Guess these were NATO fighters.Â
>Â
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>Â
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:22 AMÂ
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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>> On a flight for GE to get promo pics, an F104 got too close to a wing onÂ
>> the XB and the vortex sucked it over.Â
>> The F104 did an inverted roll over top of both rear stabilizers andÂ
>> vaporized (due to JP4 fuel instability?). The 104 pilot, Joe Walker wasÂ
>> killed instantly...too bad. He was an experienced pilot.Â
>> The XB continued to fly flat for 16 secs and then started a spin until itÂ
>> crashed. One pilot got killed, the other ejected out.Â
>> That's all I can remember...maybe someone can look up the details.Â
>> LSÂ
>>Â
>>Â
>>Â
>> ----- Original Message ----Â
>> From: "clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net" <clyderomero [at] 
>> worldnet.att.net>Â
>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 6:37:07 AMÂ
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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>> Didb the XB have a mid air or something on a test flt?Â
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TÂ
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>> -----Original Message-----Â
>> From: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
>>Â
>> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:18:13Â
>> To: clyde<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>Â
>> Cc: The FerrariList<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
>>Â
>>Â
>> Yeah, it was terrible...Jo Walker and the XB perished for no reason...Â
>>Â
>>Â
>>Â
>> ----- Original Message ----Â
>> From: Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net>Â
>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:12:43 PMÂ
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
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>> I saw it being built. I stand on my deck in Inglewood and watch the ForumÂ
>> being built and way over there was a "North American - Home of theÂ
>> Valkyrie"Â
>> 25 foot high red neon letter secretly proclaimed. Too bad about the photoÂ
>> op that went poo poo clunk. Took out the B70 and another plane.Â
>> DOUGÂ
>>Â
>>Â
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LS" <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
>> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>Â
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:59 AMÂ
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
>>Â
>>Â
>>> The specs and photos of the Talon remind me of the old XB-70 from theÂ
>>> 60's...remember that thing? I don't since I wasn't born, but it seemedÂ
>>> asÂ
>>> if it was an interesting vehicle.Â
>>> I'd like to check it out at Wright Pat one of these days.Â
>>> LSÂ
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>> ----- Original Message ----Â
>>> From: "Ferrarisimo [at] Comcast.net" <Ferrarisimo [at] comcast.net>Â
>>> To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Â
>>> Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Â
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 9:21:12 AMÂ
>>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] what is this?Â
>>>Â
>>> FA-37 New Stealth Fighter Air Craft JetÂ
>>> August 19, 2007 | Author: Rich | 21,066Views | | PrintÂ
>>> Filed under: 800HighTech, Internet, Military News, RandomÂ
>>>Â
>>> FA-37 Talon Military Aircraft Stealth Jet Secret WeaponsÂ
>>>Â
>>> Making the rounds to an Email box near you! I just got it and foundÂ
>>> out that this has been circulating for some time. Below areÂ
>>> photographs of a prototype aircraft known as the Talon. Reportedly itÂ
>>> was taken onboard the USS George Washington CVN-73 for catapult fitÂ
>>> checks. It noted that it was not exactly still Top Secret butÂ
>>> certainly not yet made public.Â
>>>Â
>>> The specs that were known were list to be a Mach 3.5 (top speed in theÂ
>>> Mach 4 range), super-cruise stealth fighter / bomber / interceptorÂ
>>> with approximately a 4,000nm range.Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>> :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>> At first I fell for it too, but after checking around this wasnât theÂ
>>> case. I seldom believe anything on the internet for face value andÂ
>>> have to do a lot of checking around to verify facts and then draw myÂ
>>> own conclusion. Blogs are unfortunately known to be operated by nutsÂ
>>> (maybe me too!).Â
>>>Â
>>> These photographs are not images of a prototype F/A-37 âTalonâÂ
>>> aircraft being tested aboard the aircraft carrier USS GeorgeÂ
>>> Washington, but pictures taken from the filming of the motion pictureÂ
>>> Stealth (which wasnât that good and had numerous incorrect features).Â
>>>Â
>>> Although these pictures come from a fictional movie, they were takenÂ
>>> aboard a real U.S. aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, whichÂ
>>> was used for filming while the vessel was at San Diegoâs Naval AirÂ
>>> Station North Island in June 2004.Â
>>>Â
>>> USS Abraham Public Affairs Press ReleaseÂ
>>> Fighter jets chocked and chained to the deck, Sailors scurrying fromÂ
>>> place to place, the occasional whirr of rising aircraft elevators,Â
>>> this could be a hangar bay of any aircraft carrier. In fact, theÂ
>>> repetitious scene often causes shipmates to become oblivious to theirÂ
>>> overwhelming surroundings.Â
>>>Â
>>> But last week something happened aboard USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72)Â
>>> that made every Sailor stand up and take notice throughout the ship.Â
>>>Â
>>> Departing Naval Air Station North Island after an all too brief stop-Â
>>> over, Lincoln welcomed aboard more than 80 new faces, a 53-foot longÂ
>>> futuristic stealth fighter named âTalon,â and the Navyâs top threeÂ
>>> âspecial operations pilots.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> No, this was not a top-secret Navy experiment; rather it was the castÂ
>>> and crew of the upcoming major motion picture, âStealth.â The newÂ
>>> addition to Abeâs crew came aboard courtesy of Columbia Pictures andÂ
>>> Backbreaker Films, and features Josh Lucas, Jessica Biel, Jamie FoxxÂ
>>> and Pulitzer Prize-winner Sam Shepard.Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>> The film is scheduled to be released in the summer of 2005, and isÂ
>>> directed by Rob Cohen, who also directed the films âXXX,â and âTheÂ
>>> Fast and The Furious.â He said âStealthâ is on a different level 
>>> thanÂ
>>> his past work.Â
>>>Â
>>> âFilming a major Hollywood movie during flight (operations) is a veryÂ
>>> tricky and different thing,â said Cohen. âThis is real life out here,Â
>>> and itâs amazing that the Navy is allowing us to be here and bring ourÂ
>>> own aircraft on the ship.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> Cohen also acknowledged the Navy for allowing the current movie to seeÂ
>>> the light of day. âIâm very grateful to the Navy for this. The NavyÂ
>>> passed every page of the script, so they feel good about it, and IÂ
>>> feel good about what this film will say about the Navy.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> In the film, Navy officials decide to use an unmanned version of theÂ
>>> âTalon,â but when one of the planes begins attacking friendly forces,Â
>>> Navy pilots are called in to save the planet from artificialÂ
>>> intelligence.Â
>>>Â
>>> Although the plot may sound far-fetched to some, Cohen found out firstÂ
>>> hand that filming aboard Lincoln is very real.Â
>>>Â
>>> âI have a deeper appreciation for what (the crew) does on theÂ
>>> Lincoln,â Cohen said. After spending his first night aboard theÂ
>>> warship, Cohen had a startling experience that awoke him from a soundÂ
>>> sleep. âThey primed the catapults about 2:00 in the morning, and IÂ
>>> thought, âOh my God, weâve been torpedoed!â I jumped so high out of 
>>> myÂ
>>> bunk that I hit my head on the shelf.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> Adjusting to life on the 97,000-ton carrier also proved to beÂ
>>> difficult for some of the cast.Â
>>>Â
>>> âIâve been lost every day,â actress Jessica Biel said. âI still 
>>> canâtÂ
>>> get to my room. I have to ask people all of the time just to help meÂ
>>> find the bathroom, but itâs been incredible how helpful everyone hasÂ
>>> been.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> Biel, who plays Lt. Kara Wade, the only female pilot in the stealthÂ
>>> squadron, also expressed her appreciation for the hard work of AbeâsÂ
>>> crew. âYou really have no idea how hard everybody works until you comeÂ
>>> on to a carrier,â Biel said. âThe teamwork on this ship is absolutelyÂ
>>> amazing.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> Teamwork seemed to be the word of the week, as both the movie andÂ
>>> shipâs crews worked together to complete the shipâs mission and lend aÂ
>>> hand in the production.Â
>>>Â
>>> Abe Sailors were given numerous opportunities throughout the week toÂ
>>> be extras in the film, and share the spotlight with the HollywoodÂ
>>> lineup. Donning float coats and cranials, the Sailors, producers andÂ
>>> actors looked alike on the flight deck as the cameras rolled.Â
>>>Â
>>> âIn my 16 years in the Navy, this is one of the top things Iâve 
>>> done,âÂ
>>> said AO1(AW) Anthony Whetstone, of Abeâs Safety Department.Â
>>>Â
>>> Whetstone, an Alexander City, Ala. native, was an extra with aÂ
>>> speaking role during one of the productionâs night scenes, and wasÂ
>>> grateful to have such an opportunity. âNothing like this has everÂ
>>> happened to me before.âÂ
>>>Â
>>> Actor Jamie Foxx, who plays the role of Lt. Henry Purcell, said AbeâsÂ
>>> crew was a big help during the filming and commented on their hardÂ
>>> work. âThis really changes your perspective on things, when you get aÂ
>>> chance to see from the ground up how hard these men and women work,âÂ
>>> he said.Â
>>>Â
>>> âThe crew was really down to Earth,â Whetstone said.Â
>>>Â
>>> âI was surprised to find out that they were just like us.â 
>>> WhetstoneâsÂ
>>> thoughts seemed to be echoed by Abeâs crew throughout the week.Â
>>> Meanwhile, the film crew couldnât seem to give enough praise toÂ
>>> Lincoln Sailors.Â
>>>Â
>>> âThank God for these decent people that are on this ship doing the jobÂ
>>> they do,â Cohen said. âI have a deep appreciation for Sailors and whatÂ
>>> (they) do for people like me who live in the freedom you secure.âÂ
>>>Â
>>>Â
>>> ScottieÂ
>>>Â
>>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Ken Rentiers wrote:Â
>>>Â
>>>> Clyde:Â
>>>>Â
>>>> WTF is this???Â
>>>>Â
>>>> <NewNavyplane.jpg>Â
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