Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari Digest, Vol 26, Issue 27]

(continued)

Sorry,

I am not really that offended and maybe bullying is the wrong word for 

it...  I must be taking it more personally than its intended.  I drive a 

somewhat expensive gas guzzling sports car on nice days and a cheap fuel 

sipper on the other days...  So fiscally large and socially 

irresponsible, or fiscally small and responsible depending on the weather...

A lot has been written and I read it out of a combination of respect and 

entertainment value for many of the authors of this list.  I just don't 

like being told If I believe this I am for this guy (Barry Hussein is 

the right choice. ), and if I believe this other thing I am for that 

guy( then Barry Hussein is not your man)... 

Or that how I vote is all about my personal values.  Maybe for some it 

is, heck I voted for Ross Perot one election because I loved Dana 

Carvey's impression of him on SNL...  It was either that or the other 

two guys...  And damn if Tina Fey doesn't do the most hilarious Sarah 

Palin I have ever seen.... 

Do I want lower taxes?   Heck yes.  Do I want social programs for folks 

who need them?  Heck yes.  I must be a Republicrat, or a Democran... 

But I also want no speed limits on public roads, better driver training, 

lower cholesterol, kids who go to bed when told to, a wife who nags less 

and wants nooky more, more free time, better decision making ability, 

more patience, a decent steak restaurant near my home, a good pay raise 

every year, to go to space at least once, and a whole bunch of other 

stuff too, I just can't think of it all right now...

Man which candidate has my back? 

On a side note I followed a Lamborghini Gallardo tonight...  Not at all 

impressed.  It looks nice, but the exhaust note is pretty bland even 

when they lit it up a bit on the highway it was kinda just a drone.

LarryT wrote:

Mike wrote: <<a definite undertone of "you suck for thinking that way" 

behind it all.

Seriously that isn't so much a dialog as an attempt at bullying your
beliefs onto everyone else.>>

Mike -

   I gotta disagree - maybe we've read diffierent posts but the ones 

I've read have been pretty civil.  No personal attacks, no bullying, 

yada, yada.

Or maybe we're interpreting the posts differently -

Take Care,
Larry T
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fleischer" 

<themightytoe [at] gmail.com>

To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>; "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:51 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari 

Digest, Vol 26, Issue 27]

Ahh the season of Flist politics is upon us...  Being someone who
typically votes against a candidate rather than for one, man I miss the
days of guns and watches and home theater equipment discussions...

I have been reading a lot of this clap trap and diatribe of:  If you
like enemas and eating babies so and so is your man...  with a definite
undertone of "you suck for thinking that way" behind it all.

Seriously that isn't so much a dialog as an attempt at bullying your
beliefs onto everyone else.  If you are going to talk about what is
important to you, talk about what is important to you and if you really
want to put it out there say why...  Personally two things in life are
inevitable:  Death and taxes...

I can frame what I want:
1.  To always have good opportunities for employment and places to live
2.  To know my family is happy (most of the time), safe and healthy and
will be for their entire lives
3.  To keep all the money I earn and to be able to spend it on what I
want and where I want.
4.  To know that my children, if they work for it, will have as good or
better lives than I did
5.  To be free to travel, explore, speak, read, learn, pray and be
social how ever I want.
6.  To know my neighbors share my values.
7.  To know that the things I truly need in life (food, shelter, health
care) will always be affordable
8.  To know my friends and their friends and their friends have all the
above items...

Which parts of the list above do I think are a social responsibility
that people recognize eg everyone sees that those goals are something we
all should strive for?  VS something the government needs to enforce and
mandate since the people are too ignorant, greedy, or unorganized to do
it?

My view:
People:  #1, #2, #3, #4, #6
Govmint:  #5, #7, #8

So that isn't too bad... Now as for candidates:  They all are pretty
much the same.  Economics should drive most important decisions and
having good advisors, qualified people, and a bit of good luck as with
any endeavour, is the real key...  I would not hire an electrical
engineer to build a bridge and I would not hire a lawyer to remove my
appendix...  I would hire the best civil engineer and doctor I could
afford...  This is no different...  Find out who has the best team, or
can put together the best team and go with them.  So can Obama and Biden
build a better team than McCain and Palin?  They pull from the same
pools of people pretty much so which pair will listen to their advice
and which pair is smarter?  I don't know the answer to that, but I don't
think Palin adds a lot of capability into the mix...  Kinda like hiring
your secretary to be your new CEO...  Sure she may have sat in on a few
meetings but she is seriously unqualified to balance the books every
quarter...

Its all moot since we have an electoral college anyhow and those snow
blind Inuits from Alaska's votes count for like 3000 of us lower 48
stater's voters...

Ah now to go eat some babies and vote for higher taxes....

BR,
Mike

BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com wrote:

Tom:

Maybe so, but I think you have to look at the past several years, at 

least

since 9/11 to judge someone for the highest office in the land.

If you believe in the Second Amendment, personal responsibility, and 

the

ability to retain wealth that is earned, then Barry Hussein is not 

your man. If

you are a liberal thinker who believes that those of us who have 

earned our

(sometimes meager) wealth are obligated to use it in furtherance of 

avarice and

 indolence, affirmative action that distorts the quality of our 

employment

and  educational institutions through reverse discrimination, and 

that your

personal  property rights should be subordinated to social 

engineering, then of

course  Barry Hussein is the right choice.

Its not a matter of good and evil, simply a matter of personal 

values (and

of course the Constitution). If you agree with what B.H.O. has done 

with his

adult life and think that you want America to follow that course 

vote for him

for those reasons, not cute sayings of speech writers that he can 

memorize and

 regurgitate.

Just hire the man who actually stands for one's personal belief 

structure,

not the pretty face or TV anchorman presentation when recruiting for 

what may

be  the most important job in the entire world and is certainly the 

most

important  in the United States.

If Barry Hussein Obame is your man, go for it. If not, look 

elsewhere for

national leadership.

And either way, hopefully we'll still be friends.

Dr. Steve

In a message dated 9/19/2008 9:24:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
kjtar [at] cox.net writes:

All I  know is that Barack is smart, has good people around him, and 

can

speak in  public without embarrasing himself (if he were sensitive 

enough to

recognize any slight errors). Also I saw a great quote, which I'll 

repeat

here:

Capitalism's criminal excesses saved by socialist  governmental 

policies. (Or

something like that, it was in the Tulsa World  today, from a Nader 

speech as

OSU Tulsa campus).
Tom Reynolds
Tulsa,  OK

----- Original Message ----- From:  <BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com>
To: "Tom Reynolds" <kjtar [at] cox.net>
Cc:  "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Thursday, September  18, 2008 1:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Latest Government Actions (NFC)  [Ferrari 

Digest,Vol

26, Issue 27]

Larry:

If  there were only to be a solution. Do we vote for Barry Hussein 

Obama,

 whose depth of experience is only exceeded by my son who is a  

college

senior and

might even graduate eventually, or the  McManchurian candidate, a good

sailor

who  stood up as best he  could for as long as he could to the 

Hanoi Hilton

and

who is   to be respected for that, but that experience is just  not

applicable

to  the job he is seeking, particularly after  leaving his first 

wife who

stood by a  Navy POW Aviator during  his confinement in the PRVN, 

but was

then

enticed by the   riches of his second wife, who performs the same 

duties

for him as

 Ms.  Heinz-Kerry does for her former sailr?

Votes for any  other third party are "throw-a-ways" that will do no 

good,

so

it is  once again a choice of the lesser of two evils a vote AGAINST a
 candidate  rather than FOR one.

And where do we stand  financially? According to B. Hussein I am 

wealthy,

and

according to  his opponent I shall never achieve that status. If it 

were

only

a  field of four in which one could choose to vote for POTUS by  

giving

him/her

 the highest number of votes and for V-POTUS by  giving him/her the 

second

highest  number of votes. I would  predict a Palin victory for the 

highest

office

of the  land  and who knows perhaps Command McManchuria might come 

in as

 V-POTUS.

I am, today, really glad to be retired from my first  primary 

occupation as

I

am not certain that I could respond in the  affirmative to the 

question as

to

whether or not I would "take a  bullet" for any of them. I was a 

simple

question  when Ronald  Reagan was alive and well serving as POTUS but

self-interest

 most  probably would have prevailed (except during the period 

immediately

following  9/11).

Dr.  Steve

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Re: Latest Government Actions (NFC) [Ferrari Digest, Vol 26, Issue 27]	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Mike Fleischer (themightytoegmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:17:15 -0700 (PDT)