Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?

[LarryT (l02turner]

Michael, 
    I wasn't saying anyone with the deep pockets to buy a new Ferrari can't 
*afford* the guzzler tax - if "afford" is the right description of that 
particlar rape - I don't thnk *anyone* should be forced to pay confiscatory 
taxes.  

Never said a Ferrari buyer wouldn't be abe to pay the money - 
If I'm ever in a position to have the money to buy a new Ferrari I hope I would 
still look at the things I'm going to be paying for.  I know $500 floor mats 
and $300 shift knobs are part of the deal - but giving the govt an extra few 
thousand $$s doesn't seem right - after all, every fill up will extract more 
tax dollars from the Ferrari owner - every mile driven at 12mpg's will put more 
money into the govt coffers.  Besides, the govt doesn't do anything for that 
particular tax. 

I fail to see the need to tax ferrari buyers even more. 

BTW - whenever the govt decides to "punish" the rich because they  have money - 
remember the 80s when they taxed luxury goods at usury rates - they screw 
things up royally?   For one thing, luxury boat yards went out of business - 
and because they sometimes were the dominate business in small towns, the towns 
suffered to the extreme - because along with the shiny yachts in the Miami Boat 
Show there's all those hardware stores, speciality wood stores, marine engine 
manufacturers, and on and on.  Then the stores that feed *them* are affected 
un-naturally.  And people lose the jobs they spent a lifetime building..

Anyway - hope that clears up my position.  I'd hate to hear I will have to pay 
a "rich person tax" on my 35 year old 911 because some nitwit in DC decides my 
meager disability income makes me wealthy.  

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael James 
  To: LarryT 
  Cc: The FerrariList 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?


        LOL, you're funny Larry.

        NEVER have I heard someone wanting to buy a new Ferrari walk into a 
dealership and go:  "Damn, I could 'just' afford a new 430, but I can't afford 
the car with that Gas Guzzler tax added on!  My dreams are over, I'm going to 
have to go buy a Buick now.....Damn those Washington Socialists, 
boo-hoo.....sniff..."

        Please - buyers are spending several thousand$$$ extra to have those 
gold stripes painted on their Scuderia's hood to match the color of the rims 
and have the seat-stitching threads contrast the seat leather.  Do you think 
any of these 'extras' make the car go faster?  These folks don't care about the 
money, good for them.  Care to guess that the California won't sell well, even 
in this economy?  

        --- On Tue, 11/11/08, LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net> wrote:

          From: LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
          Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?
          To: "Michael" <Cavallino_Rapante [at] yahoo.com>
          Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
          Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 7:00 PM


    Speaking of designs and style, my 1st inclination is to blame the govt 
(always eager to blame Big Brother) ;-) and I think I'd be correct if we 
were back in the 70s when we hd such lovely designs as rubber bumpered MGBs 
and minimum height bumpers affecting most all other cars.  I feared we'd
end 
up with cars designed via govt edict which IMO gave us the Jelly Bean cars 
Doug described.

    But lately we've moved away from that - while most cars still look
alike 
I think that's because they are replicating success.  Hyundai makes a top
of 
the line model that looks like the S Class MB - not very subtle. ;-)

    Not sure what Ferrari is doing design-wise - but the 360 was a fresh 
look when it initially came out. I thought the 550 was a "design
child" of 
the 365 Daytona..  A perfect successor to the Daytona IMO  --

And on a completely different subject:
    I assume Ferrari buyers must pay a Gas Guzzler Fine for most models.  Am 
I also correct in assuming that doesn't really accomplish anything other 
than collecting some money from people buying new cars?  Wealth 
redistribution at its best - and nothing else?

    I will likely never buy a new Ferrari - probably not a used one either - 
especially since I became disabled -although  things were looking good for 
putting a red car in my garage until the disease changed things -  but it 
irritates me no end to think of the govt mandating a gas guzzler tax - just 
to move money from Ferrari (and other car's) buyers - even though it's
a tax 
*I* won't have to pay.  I just cannot understand the *glee* some feel when 
talking about "sticking it to" the people paying that kind of fee!

What has happened to people?  Seeing others suffer (in a sense) ?  Is that a 
new sport?

Later-

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "E M" <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?


Green recounts a recent conversation with Luca di
 Montezemolo, president of Ferrari. "He said the styling was
 dictated by aerodynamics and the need to keep a Ferrari glued
 to the road at 180-plus,"

If that's the case, then any car as ugly as the Enzo should have much
higher
levels of performance than it does.

I think there should be a division of styling at Ferrari.  95% of owners
never go anywhere near the cars limits, so the trade off of ugly for
performance is a waste.  I think they should divide their models into 2
groups, the really ugly ones with hyper performance for the guys who are
interest in track work, and GT cars, which would focus on beauty.  For the
odd time a GT car is run really fast, or flat out, it's almost always in a
straight line on the highway anyway.

Sure, it's nice to have stability at 180 in a straight line too, but for
the
few times it happens, do what everyone did up until a few years ago; when
you feel the front wheels life off the ground, back off a tad. :-)  If you
have to trade off all those potential great looks, for added down force cos
you might get caught out at 180, then you're probably in over you head
anyway, have no right swimming in the deep end of the pool. hee hee

Just my thoughts from a guy who drives a car with a wiggly back end. :-)

Ed
911SC

2008/11/11 <red5hilser [at] aol.com>

> Better not tell (check 6) cLyDe. It would kill him!
>
> Yer Shitbox pal, Bubba
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Grahame
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?
>
>
>
> 308 GT4 - now you're talking!
> > -----Original Message-----
>  From: LS
>
>  I agree totally!
>  GT4s do not get the respect they deserve...beautiful!
>  ...but Jim's 308GTB is freakin' beautiful!
>  Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>  -----Original Message-----From: LS <lashdeep> Subject: Re:
[Ferrari] Are
> Ferraris
>  Losing Their Good Looks?
>
>  Most of everything new is plain ugly...only the Astons and
>  maybe the shape of the Murci are "attractive".
>  The 430? No thanks. The 612 and 599 are atrocious.
>  The 997 TT? What is that thing?
>  The new M3? Looks like a fat chick I dated for 3 days in
>  1992. The M6 looks like her mother.
>  The Skyline GTR is one of the ugliest "sporty" cars I've
seen
>  in a long time.
>  While at the Ferrari dealership recently, there was a 430
>  Scuderia parked next to a 365 GTC/4.
>  While the Scuderia was being mobbed by 14 yr olds, I pulled
>  my pants down and attempted to mount the Azzuro California C4
>  with polished Borranis.
>  It's definitely not a case of the "good old days"...as I
>  wasn't even born when the C4 came out.
>  LS
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>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----From: Dan Warlick
>  <edwf430 [at] att.net>To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>Cc:
>  ferrari [at] ferrarilist.comSent: Monday, November 10, 2008
>  7:55:46 PMSubject: Re: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks?
>  I am inclined to agree with the author. I do think the 360 is
>  far more graceful than the 430 and I love the old stuff.
>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry B"
>  <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>To: "Daniel"
<edwf430 [at] att.net>Cc: "The
>  FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>Sent: Monday, November
>  10, 2008 7:35 PMSubject: [Ferrari] Are Ferraris Losing Their
>  Good Looks?
>
>
>  NYT article (sans pictures), for those who might be interested.
>  November 10, 2008, 3:37 pmAre Ferraris Losing Their Good
>  Looks?By Richard Chang Gavin Green of Car magazine in Britain
>  raised an issue I've thought about quite a bit lately: that
>  Ferraris "aren't gorgeous anymore."Mr. Green took issue
with
>  the fat rear end of the new California model, but didn't stop
>  there. "The 612 is fussy and ill-proportioned," he said.
"The
>  Enzo is more bug than bird. Even the F430 lacks the visual
>  grace and profile poetry of the old F355, the last lovely
>  Ferrari."Mr. Green points to its recent Formula One drivers,
>  Michael Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen, both staid
>  individuals, and asks: Has Ferrari lost that innate Italian
>  coolness?More likely, it has to do with aerodynamics. And Mr.
>  Green recounts a recent conversation with Luca di
>  Montezemolo, president of Ferrari. "He said the styling was
>  dictated by aerodynamics and the need to keep a Ferrari glued
>  to the road at 180-plus," Mr. Green writes. "That's why the
>  Enzo is all wedge and scoops and slats and chunky lines. That
>  big fat rump of the California — more bustle bum than bikini
>  bottom — helps aero performance, or so Luca says."It hasn't
>  helped that a whole slew of beautiful vintage Ferraris were
>  on the auction block this year, including Steve McQueen's
>  1963 250 GT/L Berlinetta Lusso and this 1961 250 California
>  Spyder once owned by James Coburn:They don't design them like
>  the 1961 Ferrari 250 California Spyder
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