Ferrari Mailing List: Re: The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)

[Rick Lindsay (rolindsay]

Here in Texas, Houston anyway, all cars have to go through safety inspection 
but cars older than 20 (or is it 25) years don't have to go through emissions 
testing.  The ideas is that cars that old are typically collector items and are 
used minimally.

rick


--- On Wed, 12/3/08, E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> From: E M <pokiebaron [at] gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] The Lifespan of a Modern Car with Electronics...was 
> Re: Best car I've driven (A.K.A. Old man rambling on Tuesday)
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 3:16 PM
> Up here, we have a 20 year exemption on emissions, but
> things are in the
> process of changing with that.  Also, cars older than 20
> years could be
> brought into the country, without meeting emissions, or
> crash standards as
> far as I know.
> 
> I believe there are a number of exemptions here for hot
> rods and such cars,
> but not sure just how to go about registering them.
> 
> Thanks for the info Jim, very interesting.
> 
> Regards,
> Ed
> 911SC
> 
> 2008/12/3 Jim Conforti <lndshrk [at] xmission.com>
> 
> > At 03:53 PM 12/3/2008 -0500, E M wrote:
> > >Is this due to it not being more than 20 years old
> and exempt?
> >
> >    Ed, Federal law gives no such exemption - if a car
> came with X emissions
> >   equipment - it must have that equipment, unless it
> has one of a few very
> >   narrow exemptions - which an '89 M3 won't
> qualify for in 2008/9.
> >
> >   This is why I not only "counsel" people to
> NEVER remove the stock ecu in
> >   favor of some half-assed standalone, but I also put
> my money where my
> > mouth
> >   is and am about to release "Shark Edit"
> which will allow the "average
> > guy"
> >   to make modifications to their ecu.  For very very
> short money.
> >
> > >  Could it be registered as a "hot rod",
> and get some exemption?  How do
> > > all those new hot rods get away with it, running
> hug engines, and often,
> > > not build on an old frame or anything that would
> have a 20 year old or
> > > older VIN number?
> >
> >    I'm not sure where this "20 year old"
> stuff comes from.
> >
> >   20 year old cars (that's 1988 model year) are
> still subject to all
> >   state and federal emissions regulations.
> >
> >   (In my state, for example, only cars 1967 or older
> are exempt)
> >
> >   For those who doubt the EPA's "ass-reaming
> capabilities" please read:
> >
> >  
> http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resources/decrees/civil/caa/casper-cd.pdf
> >
> >   That's just one example of a company that
> performed "emissions tampering"
> >
> >   Which is loosely defined as disabling any emissions
> control device.
> >
> >   Federal Felony - see: FPMITAP  (Google, if you
> don't recognize it) ;)
> >
> >   Generally you don't get prison - they just
> bankrupt you with fines
> >   and fees and fines and restitution and fines.
> >
> >   Did I mention fines?
> >
> >   FedGovCo has to make up for the tax shortfall
> somehow.
> >
> >   Jim
> >
> >
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